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Offline FALCONWING

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« Reply #90 on: January 15, 2008, 01:51:40 PM »
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Careful, Falc- his dad is the "squad enforcer", and he'll have words with you if you don't back off. :rofl


ruh-roh...i take it all back...la-7 sucks.....spits suck....please continue....

oh yeah...Gooo 51's!

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« Reply #91 on: January 15, 2008, 02:15:53 PM »
I *mostly* fly the spits - normally the 5 and 8 - recently however, I've gone into the La7/La5n - basically because I'm trying out new planes each tour - slowly but surely.

The LA7 is a beast of a machine - but it doesn't improve my k/d ratio on its own (for that matter, none of the other planes do either). The LA5N, is another sweet plane to fly - yet, given the choice, I'll stay in the Spit5.

Think its a case of horses for courses with me, if the field i'm trying to up at is getting semi vulched (less than 3 or 4 attackers), I'll up an LA - gives me a greater chance of getting at least a little alt before being slapped. If the field I'm at is getting fully vulched - I aint upping - its osti time (assuming the VH is up etc).

I need way more acm skills to even consider hanging with some of the other guys posting in here - but I'll always do the best I can - I prefer not to ho, and normally wont - unless I have no other option due to just being up etc and being slow.

I have no idea what I'm saying.....lol.......and really no points to make - other than, its your 15$, fly what you like, when you like - but please please please - shoot me down gently (I'll have just had my plane washed and waxed etc etc)..


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« Reply #92 on: January 15, 2008, 03:55:01 PM »
Just checked my sorry stats. For the first time since I can remember the P51 and LA7 are not #1 and #2 on my fighter kill list. They did tie for #3 along with the Mossie. Seems # 1 is a Hurricane IIC and followed by the N1K.

I've flown la7s, spits etc. My preference depends on what I am going to do and what sounds like fun to fly. I see no problem with flying all the planes. Heck that's why they are there.
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« Reply #93 on: January 15, 2008, 09:10:16 PM »
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I know you said ... "and this is NOT a dig at anyone" ... but I can't help but to respond because the "meat" of the above references the post that I made.

 



Looking back at the posts, I see your point.  I apologize for giving the appearance I was singling you out.  I had no intention of making reference to you or any one person; nor, trying to insult anyone as a group.

I do agree with your statement as well regarding the way some offers to help are received.  I would not continually invite someone to question my parental lineage either.


I read numerous posts, to include other threads, where folks were re-hashing how they stomped one player or another over and over.   Then come to the boards and complain when the 'newb' Ram-tard-HOs.  I merely point out that to some, that is their ONLY means of scoring.  Maybe they are not taking to the time to understand the full bigger picture; but, can you blame them for at least wanting to taste a hint of victory once in a while?

I still recall my first experiences in AH, it was very frustrating.  I wish that someone would have taken me to the side and taught some of the ACMs (in fact, I still do -- there are people who can make their toon-planes do unfathomable things.)  

This is what I remember of the AH early months:

- Try to up... drive left off the runway, hit ack gun and crash.
- Try to up some more .. Learned to use rudder to keep plane straight, get vulched on runway.
- Finally up a different base, get in the air.... first contact, blaze away from 2.0K out, can't figure why those basstages aren't dying.  :lol
- Fly closer but now out of ammo... bad guy does a loop and smokes my hindparts.
- Finally, someone is kind enough to trust me with the game's secret...  Speed is life.  
- Up the Uber fast plane (wannabe Jet-Jock)... still dying, but hit the ground at higher speed.
- Secret two... Alt and speed are E and E is life. * ding, ding ding * FLY HIGHER!  wooo whoooo, I am hot now... Lets get some kills.  
-  Fly in from 15K, line up for a pick.... compress and auger.
-  Try again.... overshoot and take cannons up the wazoo.
-  Start working on diving in at light speed, fly up the rear of bad guy and fire off burst.... overshoot due to barrell roll manuver, don't hit chit, and take MG fire up the wazoo.
(Note:  Can you see the frustration building?)
-  Get ticked off, cuss on 200 ... get muted. :D
-  Realize speed and alt aren't the life that everyone keeps claiming ... pick new uber plane with cannon and learn to HO.
-  Begin trying to learn ACM, get out turned and out-fought by a pregnant elephant.  ...  Next lesson, flaps.  Use flaps to turn.
-  Learned that flaps are important.... Realized that no one explained when to engage and disengage flaps to make plane do uber stuff.... continue to get killed by someone dogfighting in their Lancs.:eek:
- Grab uber cannon bird and revert to only tactic that worked, HO... land a 2 kill sortie -- get cocky.
-  Shining on success of HO, grab a 110 and HO some more. :lol
-  Finally getting kills ... join a GHI mission and learn the tactic of "vooolch"
- Realize, horde works, fly in groups of 30 or more ... get cherry picked for not paying attention above me.


My point is this... are we perpetuating that which we despise by only sharing bits and pieces of knowledge?  Are we actually creating the HO-misers by continuing to kick them into the dirt when they try to fly?  

Imagine the frustration when you finally learn that Alt is life only to find out (after climbing around the moon) that you are still going to get smoked.  Someone must have lied!!!  Well, not really, they just didn't share everything.  Same goes with flaps, speed, rope maneuvers, etc...  By only sharing a piece of the knowledge, newbs still get killed and get frustrated.  They resort to the fastest cannon bird they can afford to fly.  

As for me... I still have a lot to learn and would love to be able to analyze situations.  I get beat and would love to be able to go back and learn from the encounter.  However, I do not have the skills (or haven't been taught) how to understand and analyze how I lost the encounter.  I can watch the film and see I lost, but I don't see how I was beaten.

Anyway... just my thoughts for conversation.  And again, I apologize Slapshot for appearing to single you out.  
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« Reply #94 on: January 15, 2008, 09:40:22 PM »
Actually, i've been tryin to get all my muppets to fly the La7 ONLY..  I figure if we did it would go a long way in getting the thing perked.. hehe

Normally though, if I up a Lgay7 it's not a fair fight for my side..  I prolly up a Lgay 1 outta 20 times in a fair fight.. 8)

Lgay7 is the best TnB plane in the set..  faster than 90% on the deck, will out-turn spits slow and nikis can't climb with it.. it needs some small perkage ....

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« Reply #95 on: January 15, 2008, 09:41:57 PM »
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Actually, i've been tryin to get all my muppets to fly the La7 ONLY..  I figure if we did it would go a long way in getting the thing perked.. hehe

Normally though, if I up a Lgay7 it's not a fair fight for my side..  I prolly up a Lgay 1 outta 20 times in a fair fight.. 8)

Lgay7 is the best TnB plane in the set..  faster than 90% on the deck, will out-turn spits slow and nikis can't climb with it.. it needs some small perkage ....


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« Reply #96 on: January 15, 2008, 10:40:39 PM »
la7 is for the skill impared.

it is so fast that it can completely screw up any maneuver and run away after losing its advantage.

the general mode of operation for la7 morons is to make a headon pass guns blazing then if they survive but miss go for another ho or use their super torque free 2000 hp lightweight airframe zoom climb to get above normal planes which will spin out while the la7 remains completely stable as it noses over ready to fire as its nose drops. and when the idiot flying it screws all this up he is free to run away at any time without much trouble.

it is free of all compromises save endurance.

it dives like a p51, turns like a spit, climbs like a 109 and nothing is faster on the deck that isn't perked.

why it isn't perked is beyond me.
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« Reply #97 on: January 15, 2008, 10:50:20 PM »
Wait, did you just call me skill impaired:D  Finally, some recognition that I suck......:aok


Sadly its true, oh well, back into my shiny, freshly waxed Spit V for me then.....



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« Reply #98 on: January 16, 2008, 02:40:07 AM »
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Actually, i've been tryin to get all my muppets to fly the La7 ONLY..  I figure if we did it would go a long way in getting the thing perked.. hehe

Normally though, if I up a Lgay7 it's not a fair fight for my side..  I prolly up a Lgay 1 outta 20 times in a fair fight.. 8)

Lgay7 is the best TnB plane in the set..  faster than 90% on the deck, will out-turn spits slow and nikis can't climb with it.. it needs some small perkage ....



HuH????

what spit can it outturn???

Look, i use the La-7 alot for attack and base defense.  There is no la-7 i worry about running into as i can beat them in my la-la.  (and for those out there who keep saying "the la-5 is not a threat"...the la-5 is a better turner than the la-7 and is only marginally slower)  

But spits/nikkis/a6ms/very skilled 38 pilot can outturn the same skill level pilot in a lala.  

So a la-7 is a better overall plane then the higher eny rides or low eny/big cannon birds that many "pickers' like (p-51, 190s, f4u-1c, tempest).  But it is the last plane i take up if i think im going to be doing slow ACM.
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« Reply #99 on: January 16, 2008, 02:50:25 AM »
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la7 is for the skill impared.

it is so fast that it can completely screw up any maneuver and run away after losing its advantage.

the general mode of operation for la7 morons is to make a headon pass guns blazing then if they survive but miss go for another ho or use their super torque free 2000 hp lightweight airframe zoom climb to get above normal planes which will spin out while the la7 remains completely stable as it noses over ready to fire as its nose drops. and when the idiot flying it screws all this up he is free to run away at any time without much trouble.

it is free of all compromises save endurance.

it dives like a p51, turns like a spit, climbs like a 109 and nothing is faster on the deck that isn't perked.

why it isn't perked is beyond me.



HUH? HUH? HUH?

"turns like a spit"????   which spit can it outturn??...and i mean outturn...not the ol' lets go to the da where i can e-manage better then you trick...i mean im in a spit behind you and your in a lala co-e in a flat turn....please show me that data...

"climbs like a 109"????  you mean it can outclimb a g-14 or k???  will someone please pull the engine data cause last i checked any of the later model 109s are much better climbers...

"dives like a 51"???  well both of them point their noses down when they dive...but an La-7 with same e-state as a p-51 doesnt catch the 51 in a dive AND...

"nothing is faster on the deck"???  AND it definitely doesnt close the same pilot in a p-51 who trims after diving from the same e-state nor does it easily catch a 190-d9 in the same situation...

your post was a troll right? please say it was a troll....
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« Reply #100 on: January 16, 2008, 10:15:34 AM »
La-7 has a turn radius similar to a Spit 9 IIRC.  Easy enough to check it.  Going to the fighter comparison site confirms that the La-7 as test has a turning circle identical to that of the Spit 16 with flaps down.  It is actually probably within the margin of error for the Spit 9 as well.  With flaps up it nearly identical to the Spit 9, and a bit inferior to the 16.

La-7 is the fastest unperked plane in the game on the deck.  It is faster than the Spit 14 by a large margin, and I believe it is faster than the F4U-4.

La-7 can climb with a 109K-4 at slow speeds, I think the 109 outclimbs it by a hair at optimum climb speed.

The La-7 may or may not dive away from a P-51, I honestly don't know.  I do know that if I were in the La-7 I'd never feel the need to dive away from a P-51 though.

EDIT:  Looking at your kill stats I can understand your confusion... it appears the only planes you fly are the Spit 16 and the La-7.  You've probably been outflown by better pilots in the 109K-4 or the P-51.  That doesn't mean the La-7 isn't the best prop plane in the game though, it just means you were outflown by a better pilot in a worse plane.
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« Reply #101 on: January 16, 2008, 10:20:24 AM »
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You've obviously encountered noone who can turn the La7 well.    THIS is a funny post.


It is obviously YOUR fault that the LA-7 is a poor turning aircraft at 400 kts!!!:lol
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« Reply #102 on: January 16, 2008, 11:14:46 AM »
La 5FN/7 are good planes.

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« Reply #103 on: January 16, 2008, 12:08:17 PM »
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La-7 has a turn radius similar to a Spit 9 IIRC.  Easy enough to check it.  Going to the fighter comparison site confirms that the La-7 as test has a turning circle identical to that of the Spit 16 with flaps down.  It is actually probably within the margin of error for the Spit 9 as well.  With flaps up it nearly identical to the Spit 9, and a bit inferior to the 16.

La-7 is the fastest unperked plane in the game on the deck.  It is faster than the Spit 14 by a large margin, and I believe it is faster than the F4U-4.

La-7 can climb with a 109K-4 at slow speeds, I think the 109 outclimbs it by a hair at optimum climb speed.

The La-7 may or may not dive away from a P-51, I honestly don't know.  I do know that if I were in the La-7 I'd never feel the need to dive away from a P-51 though.

EDIT:  Looking at your kill stats I can understand your confusion... it appears the only planes you fly are the Spit 16 and the La-7.  You've probably been outflown by better pilots in the 109K-4 or the P-51.  That doesn't mean the La-7 isn't the best prop plane in the game though, it just means you were outflown by a better pilot in a worse plane.


Im assuming you were responding to me though you seem fairly confused about what i typed.  I was responding to 2 posters (whose kill stats you should enjoy reporting on as well) who were saying that the la7 deserved to be perked...

they said it turned like a spit...and i said i disagreed...i would be happy to DA anyone in a spit of my choosing with them in a la7 and i think most vets would as well.  You choose the two fastest spits to compare it to (fudging a bit) but ignore the other 3 who are much better turners.  Convenient.

They said it climbed like a 109..im assuming they were talking about the g-14..anyone who flies would have as well..you choose to pick the K and even then the K has an advantage.

Can you tell me what sites your getting your speed info from please...a website would be fine..the good ones have it broken down by altitude...i have trouble believing the la7 is faster at all alts then ALL unperked planes.

The La-7 is the strongest all around plane but it is not the BEST in most categories...the folks who whine about it are typically the "pick" guys who like to fly 109's/190's/tempests/f4u1-c's and dont like a fast maneuverable plane showing up...IMHO.  

I fly mostly base defense so spit16 with 50% fuel is great and a La-7 with alt is a nice cap buster...most of my offensive sorties are in 110's or mossies or 51's...guess you didnt notice the other planes i fly...convenient:huh
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« Reply #104 on: January 16, 2008, 12:17:59 PM »
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la7 is for the skill impared.

it is so fast that it can completely screw up any maneuver and run away after losing its advantage.

the general mode of operation for la7 morons is to make a headon pass guns blazing then if they survive but miss go for another ho or use their super torque free 2000 hp lightweight airframe zoom climb to get above normal planes which will spin out while the la7 remains completely stable as it noses over ready to fire as its nose drops. and when the idiot flying it screws all this up he is free to run away at any time without much trouble.

it is free of all compromises save endurance.

it dives like a p51, turns like a spit, climbs like a 109 and nothing is faster on the deck that isn't perked.

why it isn't perked is beyond me.



Except for it out diving a P51d fester is absolutely correct...........

Actually the general mode of use of many aircraft chosen by those of lesser skill is to HO .............the fact that such players  choose the La7 from time to time is not the fault of the La7.

The La7 zoom is a function of free power hence it will not zoom with many heavier ac which have a higher component of inertia.......   (Hog/Jug).

It will not sustain turn with the super turners IMO (lower Spits, N1K2 and Zeke etc) but it will be able to dissengage if flown with caution.

It is the nemisis of all axis aircraft.

It is not perked because it does not dominate the arena. It merely "levels" it.
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