Has the LA7 regained it's throne...

[Anaxogoras]

LA's in most cases are so easy to out turn

What are you flying?  In my experience, the only La-7's that don't turn well are trying to turn in the horizontal, and are going way too fast.  The plane handles like a dream.

[crockett]

Originally posted by bparker
I totally agree with the continual influx of LA7 pilots, but if these noobies really wanted to learn to fly they would train in A6Ms where its learn ACM or die. Unfortunitly there is no one to tell them that so they just up the fastest lamest plane they can get without perks.

A6m's don't really need good ACM to fight. The plane will out turn just about anything, short of a Huri 1, so you really need no real ACM skills to avoid other pilots. You don't have to worry amount E management and can almost turn blindly in a fight.

The plane that really helped me out was flying the Huri 1.  Simply because it teaches you to maintain your E and you really have to almost fly it perfect.  It also teaches you gunnery skills being it only has .303's.

Huri 1 turns good enough to keep a noob out of trouble, but with the carburated engine and .303's it still makes for a very fun plane to fly for the experienced.  With that said the Spit 1 is likely the bigger challenge as personally when flying a H1 I almost feel sorry for the other guys.



I just totally disagree on A6m teaching ACM.. It's just far too easy to fly and requires very little skill. Personally when I had my stint in A6m's I think it hurt my flying more than it helped it.


EDIT****


just checked my stats this tour..

I've been killed 6 times by LA7's but I've killed 23 of them.

I've been killed 6 times by Nikki2's but I've killed 19 of them

Adding all spits together I've only died 5 times by any sort of spit. but I've killed 41 spits.

granted both LA7 and Nikki2's have the most kills on me at a tie of 6 each. Only thing that has more, is a total of 10 kills by Ostwind..  Perk the Ostwind!!!!!


btw the P51D has 6 kills on me as well but I have 19 kills on it.

Most of my kills this tour come from the 190 A8, but I did start flying the 190 D9 yesterday.

[KONG1]

I've found the Pony and Dora flyers to be dweebiest; all boom, zoom and run (can't say I blame 'em). The 109k and the LA7 are great fighters and can hold their own against any plane in a fight. Granted they're also fast, so if you want to play hit and run you certainly can. I just find that a K or 7 will actually engage more frequently than a Pony or Dora.

And let's face it, there's nothing dweebier than the I-never-leave-the-horde guys. There are some players you will NEVER have a fight with (regardless of advantages and plane) because they will only flock. This includes I'm-leet-cause-I-fly-old-planes-in-late-war-but-only-in-a-big-group guys.

Planes aren't lame, players are lame.

[Fulmar]

Originally posted by KONG1

Planes aren't lame, players are lame.

But lame players make their planes lame.

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by KONG1
I've found the Pony and Dora flyers to be dweebiest; all boom, zoom and run (can't say I blame 'em). The 109k and the LA7 are great fighters and can hold their own against any plane in a fight. Granted they're also fast, so if you want to play hit and run you certainly can. I just find that a K or 7 will actually engage more frequently than a Pony or Dora.

And let's face it, there's nothing dweebier than the I-never-leave-the-horde guys. There are some players you will NEVER have a fight with (regardless of advantages and plane) because they will only flock. This includes I'm-leet-cause-I-fly-old-planes-in-late-war-but-only-in-a-big-group guys.

Planes aren't lame, players are lame.

Jeez, I'm gonna agree with Kong

That was the other thing we were noticing last night in particular.  High, fast, packs of planes that only engaged when you were busy.

The most even fight I was in was 3 vs 4 and it was 2 38Gs and a J vs 4 Spit 16s that came in higher then we were.  That didn't last though as their help arrived even higher and came roaring through.

The other noticable thing was how any time it was a nose to nose merge of any kind they were shooting from 1K+ out for the HO.  I know the night before I counted 2 encounters where the merge wasn't a HO, all the rest were.  

I understand that's the way of the AH world.  I had thought for a brief time it was swinging back towards more of an ACM environment, but that seems to have stalled.  I consider myself average at best in a turn fight, but I know at this point if I can get the other guy to turn at all, I'll be fine, which is not a good sign for the quality of the cartoon fighter drivers in the MA

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by crockett
A6m's don't really need good ACM to fight. The plane will out turn just about anything, short of a Huri 1, so you really need no real ACM skills to avoid other pilots. You don't have to worry amount E management and can almost turn blindly in a fight.

The plane that really helped me out was flying the Huri 1.  Simply because it teaches you to maintain your E and you really have to almost fly it perfect.  It also teaches you gunnery skills being it only has .303's.

Huri 1 turns good enough to keep a noob out of trouble, but with the carburated engine and .303's it still makes for a very fun plane to fly for the experienced.  With that said the Spit 1 is likely the bigger challenge as personally when flying a H1 I almost feel sorry for the other guys.



I just totally disagree on A6m teaching ACM.. It's just far too easy to fly and requires very little skill. Personally when I had my stint in A6m's I think it hurt my flying more than it helped it.


EDIT****


just checked my stats this tour..

I've been killed 6 times by LA7's but I've killed 23 of them.

I've been killed 6 times by Nikki2's but I've killed 19 of them

Adding all spits together I've only died 5 times by any sort of spit. but I've killed 41 spits.

granted both LA7 and Nikki2's have the most kills on me at a tie of 6 each. Only thing that has more, is a total of 10 kills by Ostwind..  Perk the Ostwind!!!!!


btw the P51D has 6 kills on me as well but I have 19 kills on it.

Most of my kills this tour come from the 190 A8, but I did start flying the 190 D9 yesterday.

Stats don't tell the complete story though.  How do you fly the 190?  Do you go in and mix it up or do you hang above and wait for an opening?

I'm guessing there isn't a lot of ACM involved

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Stang
Corky don't flip cause you saw me land kills in one last night.

LOL, well it's not just you:)  I've been giving Kappa a hard time when i see him landing bunches in an LA, lots of good sticks finding a justification to thump the newbs in it.

A lot of 'name' players spend a lot of time in late war uber birds, which is their perogative, but many of those same guys (not you Stang that I can see) also gripe at the newbs for not fighting.

New guy comes in and starts to learn who the 'good' sticks are, and he's seeing them land 10 kills in a Tempest, 8 in a F4U-4 or 1C, 11 in a 262, etc, what's the motivation to learn anything else but go fast and hit em with cannon?

In the end, I don't really care, but it's a very mixed message in the MA for anyone new coming in.

It won't work though.  I'm not getting out of my 38G

[Motherland]

My friend reported to me today that he saw not one but TWO Aces High commercials on the Military channel last night...
That may be the source of some of this noobery.

[Viking]

I don't think the La-7 ever was on the throne. The P-51 is the most used plane in AH.

[Lusche]

Originally posted by Viking
I don't think the La-7 ever was on the throne. The P-51 is the most used plane in AH.

It has been much more popular than the P-51 two years ago (along with the Spit XVI). I will elaborate on this in a few days

[Banshee7]

I have seen in my AH experience that newbies just HAVE to fly the P51 because they've seen Dogfights a few times too many.  Once they realize it's not that easy of a plane to fly they move to spits and LAs.  Me personally, I hate LA7s and the only time I fly them is for base defense.  LA5's aren't that much of a problem.  And the only Spits that give me a problem are the Spixteens.  They seem to be able to dive, turn, run...you name it (same with the LA)

All in all,  I think the LA7 has regained it's popularity and become the dweeb ride of all dweebs and newbies alike.

#S#

Banshee7

[Gixer]

Dunno, like everyone I always see more of the usual newbie/dweeb rides Niki's & Spit16's and of course the ever popular Ponies and other speed demons. Tend to see more La7's if you hang around enemy airfields but that's expected.


...-Gixer

[crockett]

Originally posted by Guppy35
Stats don't tell the complete story though.  How do you fly the 190?  Do you go in and mix it up or do you hang above and wait for an opening?

I'm guessing there isn't a lot of ACM involved

A mix of both.. I normally come in high with a heavy fuel load, but almost always end up on the deck. The A6 don't hold it's E very well, so it's not like it's the best BnZ plane in the world. It's almost a struggle to keep any alt advantage in it over the average AH spit, la and nikki dweebs.

The D9 on the other hand climbs a bit better so it's much easier to BnZ with, yet it also handles it's self pretty well on the deck.

Doesn't matter what plane I fly, I always start high when heavy on fuel and end up on the deck as the fuel load gets lighter. As a side note, if the enemy doesn't know how to manage their E it's not my fault that if I can.

I'm not going to lose all my E in a co alt fight just cause some noob can't fight a 1 on 1. If we start a fight co alt and he ends up on the deck low and slow, meanwhile I still have alt and E.. Is that still lame BnZ's? No it's out flying the other guy. You should always do everything you can to maintain your E.

That's what flying the Huri 1 taught me more than anything else, maintaining my E.

[FireDrgn]

Perk the La7 so when you see one you KNOW your going to DIE!!!

[Rino]

tsk tsk Corky..shame on you for starting a whaa whaa thread

Remember you are the one who fights low in a 38G and doesn't expect to
come home..at least not in one piece.