Author Topic: Ditch Parameters. (Read 1535 times)

Motherland · « **on:** January 16, 2008, 06:29:21 PM »

This is in refrence to someone 'ditching' near a friendly field and the shooter-downer not getting any credit. Now, I know the automatic reaction will be "shoot till they go boom", but hear me out.
Ive had this happen, in memory, twice. The first time, I was in an Il-2. I was a pure fighter sortie, just having fun. I downed a Spitfire who was apparantly not paying any attention. The next target was a Pony. After engaging in a short fight, I got his engine and some control surfaces. He headed for the deck. I turned away (there wasnt any way I was getting him in an Il-2 anyway). 5 minutes later I realise I havent gotten my kill. I dive down to investegate. No pony. WTF? didnt realise what happened till much later.
Second time. I was in a furball-type situation. Im in a 109K4. Dive in on a 190A8. I fire. I see the 30mm hit sprite (which I keep a close eye out for, and I know what it looks like. I definately taterized him.) on the fuselage, so I break off. I climb, waiting for my kill message. Looking back down, I see me kill gliding toward the ground (I had only gotten the engine, it turns out). I loop around, and dive on the 190. I couldnt get a shot on him the first pass (he was to close to the ground) and by my second pass he had ditched. No kill.

My first thought, like many people who dont like a feature, was "get rid of it!"

But, I realized why the friendly territory thing was implemented. It makes sense that you can glide back home dead engine or for whatever reason and ditch without anyone getting kill credit, It probably happened more than once.

Then I thought, if you WERE over enemy territory, and you shot someone down, to the point where the airframe was useless (which it would be upon a belly land anyway), and you and your wingman saw the plane belly out, you would get kill credit, wouldnt you? Which, made me think. At first I thought this may be to complicated, but then I realised, it has already been implemented!

IF you ditch in friendly territory, and theres no enemies around, your fine. That would be a 'limp back home' type thing. BUT, if you belly out in friendly territory, AND there's enemies in the area, you ditch, but the person who shot you up gets the kill. We already have this in place for GV's. I think It would be a much better ditch parameter for aircraft also.

edited for spelling...

splitatom · « **Reply #1 on:** January 16, 2008, 07:39:56 PM »

yes you would if you rendered the plane un flyable aka you shot half his wing off turned him into a litlle piece of swiss cheese blew his tail off

Masherbrum · « **Reply #2 on:** January 16, 2008, 08:47:54 PM »

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Originally posted by splitatom
yes you would if you rendered the plane un flyable aka you shot half his wing off turned him into a litlle piece of swiss cheese blew his tail off

"Can I get "when punctuation matters" for $400, Alex?"

Anaxogoras · « **Reply #3 on:** January 16, 2008, 09:22:20 PM »

I absolutely agree that the way ditches works needs to be fixed. I've missed kills when the guy ditches on water.

I've bailed out and ran across water, too. Anyway, the current system leads to unrealistic and unjust results.

Yossarian · « **Reply #4 on:** January 17, 2008, 02:00:50 AM »

You all definitely have a point, but I think ditching is an essential part of the game (especially the realism part of it), which just needs to be reworked. If you were to take bailing out and/or ditching out of the game, suddenly it would become a whole lot less than what it is today.

This is just an idea (and one which I haven't thought about very much), but would it work if the system awards the kill based on what happens to the plane itself, rather than the pilot.

(BTW: I am usually far too lazy to bail out than walk back to a field, only to get a ditch. I sometimes bail out and end the sortie when I land in the parachute, but usually I just crash)

Yossarian

SD67 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 17, 2008, 02:42:25 AM »

IIRC if you bail the kill is awarded to whoever landed the most hits on you.
You can the tower out immediately once you open your 'chute.
If however you bail before any hits are landed on you I was under the impression a proxy kill was awarded to anyone close enough. If this is not the case then maybe it could be included.

Lusche · « **Reply #6 on:** January 17, 2008, 02:49:44 AM »

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Originally posted by SD67
If however you bail before any hits are landed on you I was under the impression a proxy kill was awarded to anyone close enough. If this is not the case (...)

It is.

SD67 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 17, 2008, 05:09:34 AM »

so what's all the hoo-haa about?

The Fugitive · « **Reply #8 on:** January 17, 2008, 09:20:04 AM »

I look at it this way..... if the planes down, I won !!! After all its the fight that matters

Motherland · « **Reply #9 on:** January 17, 2008, 02:06:27 PM »

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Originally posted by SD67
so what's all the hoo-haa about?

If you belly land your plane and /.ef in friendly territory no one gets a kill. You only get a proxy (if target is in his territory) if the target crashes/dies on landing.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #10 on:** January 17, 2008, 03:32:11 PM »

If you damaged a plane and they ditch and you are within d2.5, you'll get the kill credit.

ack-ack

Lusche · « **Reply #11 on:** January 18, 2008, 12:04:59 AM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
If you damaged a plane and they ditch and you are within d2.5, you'll get the kill credit.

...as long as the enemy con doesn't ditch in friendly territory

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #12 on:** January 18, 2008, 12:16:28 AM »

last night, got pinged in the fuel tanks causing a leak in my main tank. Reversed on the guy that did it and ended up chasing him as he *cough* extended trying to get to his friendly territory. I ended up running out of gas and was starting to set up to dead stick land near a friendly V base. As I rolled to a stop, saw the enemy come back to strafe me as I ditched, exiting out of my plane as he was d1.5 away and he got the kill credit. Yes, I was in my friendly territory.

ack-ack

Lusche · « **Reply #13 on:** January 18, 2008, 12:26:21 AM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
last night, got pinged in the fuel tanks causing a leak in my main tank. Reversed on the guy that did it and ended up chasing him as he *cough* extended trying to get to his friendly territory. I ended up running out of gas and was starting to set up to dead stick land near a friendly V base. As I rolled to a stop, saw the enemy come back to strafe me as I ditched, exiting out of my plane as he was d1.5 away and he got the kill credit. Yes, I was in my friendly territory.

ack-ack

I never have failed to ditch with enemies around when in friendly territory. I have never got any credit for a ditching enemy when inside hios friendly territory.
Some people do though confuse "inside own radar range" with being in "friendly territory". It's strictly based on distance to closest base/CV.

In your example it's probably a lag issue. You write that he continued to strafe you. So he did kill you on his FE while you jst seemd to make it on your's.
Happens to me a lot when towering out of Ostwinds when bombs are falling.

DaddyAck · « **Reply #14 on:** January 18, 2008, 03:03:55 AM »

I tell ya what gives me that warm an' fuzzy feelin. Its when I am ditching dead stich wheels on the grouond stopping and get strafed. MMmmm MMmmm Good there man.