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Offline Wolfala

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« on: January 18, 2008, 12:15:25 PM »
In the traffic pattern, always watch your back because of the other bozo.

















Report created 1/7/2008   Record 5                                       ********************************************************************************** IDENTIFICATION  Regis#: 8037W        Make/Model: PA28      Description: PA-28 CHEROKEE, ARROW, WARRIOR, ACHER, D  Date: 01/01/2008     Time: 2215   Event Type: Accident   Highest Injury: None     Mid Air: Y    Missing: N  Damage: Minor LOCATION  City: NAPA   State: CA   Country: US DESCRIPTION  N8037W, A PIPER PA 28-180 ON FINAL APPROACH, STRUCK ANOTHER AIRCRAFT,   N15EX, A GLASTAR, BOTH AIRCRAFT LANDED WITHOUT INCIDENT, NO INJURIES   REPORTED, N8037W SUSTAINED MINOR DAMAGE, N15EX SUSTAINED SUBSTANTIAL   DAMAGE, SONOMA VALLEYAIRPORT, NAPA, CA INJURY DATA      Total Fatal:   0                 # Crew:   1     Fat:   0     Ser:   0     Min:   0     Unk:                     # Pass:   0     Fat:   0     Ser:   0     Min:   0     Unk:                     # Grnd:         Fat:   0     Ser:   0     Min:   0     Unk:     WEATHER: APC 09015G20KT 10SM CLR 14/01 A3021 OTHER DATA  Activity: Unknown      Phase: Approach      Operation: OTHER    FAA FSDO: SACRAMENTO, CA  (WP25)                Entry date: 01/02/2008
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Offline Airscrew

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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2008, 12:26:16 PM »
I'm guessing no tower?  private strip?

whose at fault, the one taking off, or the one landing,  or do they share the responsiblity...
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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2008, 12:30:03 PM »
wowzers!
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Offline Wolfala

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« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2008, 12:33:46 PM »
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Originally posted by Airscrew
I'm guessing no tower?  private strip?

whose at fault, the one taking off, or the one landing,  or do they share the responsibility...


Classic case of high-wing and low-wing blindspots. Was an uncontrolled field in Sonoma County, CA.
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« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2008, 12:55:35 PM »
In my old AirClub there was a picture hanged with Piper humping Cessna...looks like someone didn't use radio
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« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2008, 01:35:14 PM »
landing AC has priority, i flew out of a uncontrolled field, the takingoff AC has to hold short and clear themselves for any AC on finale.
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« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2008, 01:37:54 PM »
I see the vulch attempt failed. :)
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« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2008, 01:42:14 PM »
Stupid n00bs....don't even know how to ram-vulch?!

SkyRock:<---owns landing and taking off planes

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« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2008, 02:41:53 PM »
The guy who taxied into position for takeoff without checking for landing traffic is the guy at fault.  Radio calls stating intentions on a unicom freq would be another method to avoid this type of incident.
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« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2008, 05:22:09 PM »
Was the glastar taking off or were they both trying to land?
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« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2008, 06:52:10 PM »
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Was the glastar taking off or were they both trying to land?


The Piper has full landing flaps deployed, the Glastar flaps do not look fully extended, maybe just in a takeoff position, but I can't say I am sure how much flap is used for takeoff and landing in that type aircraft.  Full flaps would typically be the normal for landing, but not sure how far down that would appear when fully extended.  They appear to me to be maybe at best about 10 degrees for short field takeoff.
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« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2008, 08:35:38 PM »
I asked about the Glastar possibly also landing given the angle of bank it is in from the very first picture. It's also not necessary to land with full flaps so I kind of discounted that as a full indicator of what the plane had been doing.

I've had other aircraft pull out on the runway while I was on very short final and I had to do a go around. I would have thought that the Piper pilot might have seen it if the Glastar pulled out onto the strip. Had they both been landing and focused on the strip I could see them not seeing each other until the photos start. I'm just speculating but that's why I was asking what both planes were doing at the time.
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« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2008, 10:09:57 PM »
Looking at the photos gives me no info on how the trailing edge of the Piper got damaged.
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« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2008, 10:34:46 PM »
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Looking at the photos gives me no info on how the trailing edge of the Piper got damaged.
:huh


I'd guess the vertical stabilizer made contact with the inboard, trailing edge of the pipers flap, just between the two shots....

If not, your guess is as good as mine.
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« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2008, 10:42:12 PM »
Noob.
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