Heartless Idiot

[Yossarian]

Yeager: I completely agree with your points, and my aim/opinion is that Yknurd should simply edit his first post that caused all this into something inoffensive.

hubsonfire:  In my post I was more referring to what I think is morally correct than to the rules of the forum.

[Yknurd]

Perhaps you should explain why my post was offensive.

I reread what I posted and found nothing that insulted him or his mother.

[MajWoody]

Originally posted by pluck
 The only reason for the existance of this thread is so that some people can discuss whether or not someone else is a jerk....which is pretty classless as well.  I would think most people could formulate their own opinion by reading what was written, without having a discussion about it.
 

Pluck,
I think you've been around the bbs long enough to know that there are many who would have started a pizzing match about this right in the Maj's thread, so the formulating their own opinion without having a discussion about it isn't going to happen.  I started this thread so that it wouldn't happen in his thread.

As was stated above, there are some real friendships made here and if someone wants to share their feelings then why bash them as if they are not real people, just virtual people. If you don't want to read a post like that then don't.

Regards

[1Boner]

Originally posted by Yknurd
Perhaps you should explain why my post was offensive.

I reread what I posted and found nothing that insulted him or his mother.

Your post was as inappropriate as these morons.

You just don't get it, and no one will ever be able to explain it to you





Ignorance is bliss.


Who me?,

Boner

[pluck]

Originally posted by Yossarian
 I support free speech, but I believe it should always be used carefully and with moderation.

With statement, Its hard to believe you support free speech, unless it is to your liking.  For example, it's okay to disagree with the president, as long as you don't call him an ahole, and when you do talk bad about him, it is only once a week.

Away from a bb, privately owned, people should be able to express themselves however they want, regardless of how it makes others feel.  That doesn't mean you have to agree with them, or not think that person is a jerk, you are free to do so.  The minute you start using caution and words like moderation, you no longer have free speech.  You just can't say you support free speech, as long as it is used carefully and with moderation....because then it is not free to people who do not agree with your individual ideas and definitions.  Just because you wouldn't say it, doesn't mean someone else shouldn't.  Though veryone is accountable for what they say in one way or another.

[Banshee7]

Here's my opinion about the whole blessed thing.

MAJIssue posted a thread letting everyone know that his mom has recently passed awya and he won't be online for a while.  Then some lame arse genuine stunninghunk comes in and starts throwing negative crap about how this shouldn't be posted here...blahdy blah blah.  The point is...whether his mother had direct contact with the game or not...she should be respected.  As someone said..whether it is friend or foe we give them our condolences and what not to respect not only his mother..but MAJissue.  We've all been through it some time or another and we all know how it feels.  Even though Aces High is a Virtual world...we are still a FAMILY (Virtual or not) and we are all here to back others and comfort them in their times of need.  We may not be close to other players...hell we might even hate their guts...but how would you feel if you had lost a loved one, posted a thread in remembrance and honor and to let us know you'll be off a while, and someone throws in a bunch of negatives words and actions.  How heartless can you be...?  Think about that why dont ya.

#S#

Banshee7

[FrodeMk3]

Originally posted by Stang
Yes we are a "community," but in this virtual world we inhabit things like these are better off kept in the more tight knit groups, such as squads and close personal friends in game.  While I am very sorry for Maj's loss, coming into the general discussion with it is like walking up to someone you barely know and laying it on them.  It's just not quite the right way to handle it in my opinion.

These threads have gotten quite out of hand lately with things being very hard to verify as truth over the internet.  In the past people have lost and kept it more quiet, yet people who know and care for the individual always end up finding out and help in the grieving process in a more intimate and probably meaningful manner.  Seeing these things almost weekly now desensitizes the community to it in a way.  Again just my opinion though.

Very sorry for you loss.

You know, Stang, that is true. For example, a 14-year old, 5-foot-and-a few-thousandsths' can become anything they care to describe. Pro-football player, Navy SEAL vet, Head of Mensa, etc.

But, however, what makes AH different from a boxed sim flying against an AI Is this very community. Thousands' of players, from all over the world, who share the same hobby. Doesn't our 'tight knit group' start there? Isn't this what makes' this game dynamic? If it wasn't for the community, I'd take my 14.99$ a month and pay a one-time fee for a boxed' sim, and that would be that.  

This is HTC's forum for the discussion of their game. We have no rights whatsoever regarding what we post or discuss. There is no free speech, no entitlement to do as we wish. The folks at HTC have been nice enough to provide us with a venue to discuss things outside the realm of AH, and that, IMO and according to the rules, is where things like this should remain.

That's true too, Hub. But for things' like this, we have used the G/D forum in the past. The O'club is off the beaten track for the majority of the community who are actively flying, and that's really who the message is for. Dale's yet to complain about it, AFAIK.

While I understand you made this thread as to not post in the tribute, it really has the same affect. You are taking something that you think is negative, and giving it a forum. Some people post negative things for this very issue. This thread in itself takes away from someone's tribute, and is doing absolutely nothing to help with the grieving process. The only reason for the existance of this thread is so that some people can discuss whether or not someone else is a jerk....which is pretty classless as well. I would think most people could formulate their own opinion by reading what was written, without having a discussion about it.

I see your point pluck, Skuzzy wields' his PNG stick fairly well. It's really up to him, Hitech, or Pyro as to what is done. I believe this thread simply brought the offense' out into the limelight, so to speak, to get they're attention. Out of all of the thread's that go on this board, they can't catch every little thing. I don't believe I've ever seen anything like what Yknurd origanally posted, however, as you can see, it's really stirred quite a few members' of the community. And with this thread, in a way, it's the community attempting to police itself. We should just wait and see what happens' from Grapevine.

[llama]

First of all, my condolences to MajIssue: he obviously had a great Mom and a great relationship with her, and she was a positive influence on his life.

Not everyone is so blessed.

I'm not talking about "not being breastfed" or "not being hugged enough." People who make comments like this surely lead sheltered lives.

There are kids whose parents are drug addicts, drunks, abusive, hateful, hurtful, and worse. There are parents who send their kids to the hospital.

Conversely, there are parents who are neglectful. There are parents with bona fide mental diseases. There are parents who let their kids basically raise themselves on the streets, and it's a miracle they didn't turn into wolves, so to speak. There are parents who only fit the definition because they donated a sperm or hosted an egg; they gave a kid life and nothing else but disadvantages and problems.

Now I'm not saying I am from such a family, but some of us are dealt pretty terrible hands when it comes to parents, and I can easily see someone in that situation lashing out against what looks like, on the surface, a whole bunch of people patting their parents on the back for being so great, post after post.

I'll bet there are a lot of readers of that "Piss on the grave remark" that laughed out loud. *Those* are probably the people with parents worse than you can imagine.

Now I don't necessarily think Yknurd's initial comments were appropriate to the discussion, but I bet there's something in Yknurd's past that's worth some sympathy too.

Call it a hunch.

Cut him some slack.

-Llama

[BiPoLaR]

Originally posted by Yknurd
You took my post out of context.  My original post was innocuous and I was subsequently attacked.

I responded to his attack in a very careful and deliberately proportional manner.  My post directly paralleled his.

You sir are a moron. And your avatar offends me.And the meaning behind it

[Gman]

It's too bad there isn't a majority rules voting/banning system on the BBS so you could vote people off the island.

[pluck]

Originally posted by MajWoody
Pluck,
I think you've been around the bbs long enough to know that there are many who would have started a pizzing match about this right in the Maj's thread, so the formulating their own opinion without having a discussion about it isn't going to happen.  I started this thread so that it wouldn't happen in his thread.

As was stated above, there are some real friendships made here and if someone wants to share their feelings then why bash them as if they are not real people, just virtual people. If you don't want to read a post like that then don't.

Regards

I guess my whole point was that if people just let something they percieve negative like that just die and not respond, acknowledge it, then it becomes less of a reason to post negative and you don't even have to have a discussion about it.  There will always be something negative in a thread, answering to it only pours gas on the fire.  But I guess I can kind of see where you are coming from on this.  I understand the whole friendship thing, and i'm not saying anyone should be bashing anyone.  I think there have been some very good points in this thread by others as well, and not by the people who just want a chance to call someone jerk....That's not exactly playing nice, nor dignified either and solves nothing.

at any rate, going to see how the free speech thing plays out:)

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by BiPoLaR
And your avatar offends me.And the meaning behind it

ack-ack

[RELIC]

This has nothing to do with free speech.  How on earth some people do not understand this is beyond me.  HT Creations has the last and final word on the content of these boards.
The point is the initial reply was inappropriate and the follow up was downright offensive.  This has NOTHING to do with whether or not we should share the loss of a loved one on the General Forums.  That can be debated and decided by the folks who are in charge of these forums.
The real point, as I see it, was a heartfelt post was tainted by someone who has absolutely no class or empathy for a fellow human being.  Shame on you for dumping your petty anger on another member of this community who has lost a loved one.

[hubsonfire]

Originally posted by FrodeMk3
That's true too, Hub. But for things' like this, we have used the G/D forum in the past. The O'club is off the beaten track for the majority of the community who are actively flying, and that's really who the message is for. Dale's yet to complain about it, AFAIK.
 

Our flagrant violations of the rules are just that, and I was mainly pointing out the statement that we have some sort of inherent right to discuss whatever we wish on their GD forum, while trying to censor others is patently false. HTC has been fairly tolerant of this kind of thing, perhaps out of an oversight, or just trying to be respectful of the community and its concerns. However, more and more, this tolerance is repaid with hoaxes, more hoaxes, and vitriolic personal attacks, and as such I'm really surprised they haven't put the kibosh on this kind of thing.

[FrodeMk3]

Originally posted by hubsonfire
Our flagrant violations of the rules are just that, and I was mainly pointing out the statement that we have some sort of inherent right to discuss whatever we wish on their GD forum, while trying to censor others is patently false. HTC has been fairly tolerant of this kind of thing, perhaps out of an oversight, or just trying to be respectful of the community and its concerns. However, more and more, this tolerance is repaid with hoaxes, more hoaxes, and vitriolic personal attacks, and as such I'm really surprised they haven't put the kibosh on this kind of thing.

...Mmh. Good point. Past abuses' have kinda stretched the fabric of the BBS a little thin. There have been some real poo-flingers' in here.