Heartless Idiot

[pluck]

Originally posted by Widewing
You seem to think that freedom of speech means freedom to be cruel, heartless and vicious. It does not. In this country, freedom of speech means freedom of political speech and social expression. It's generally allowed wide interpretation, but there are limits when it strays away from political or social expression into personal attack as a deliberate effort to inflict suffering. If vile speech is protected, why do thousands get sued for libel and slander? Hate speech is not protected, it's often proscecuted.

There are both legal and social limits on speech. There are corresponding penalties that can be enacted.

People need to show some common sense and compassion. Whether or not this was the proper forum for expression of grief is irrelevant. If someone doesn't feel to offer condolences, they should, at the very least, say nothing.

My regards,

Widewing

At the same time, racist groups are allowed to assemble and recruit to spread their garbage.  I would agree it is a wide range, and there is a line, most noteable when it comes to threatening life, bodily harm, and finacial issues.  I do not think I implied, or had not intended to imply, free speech is the freedom to do any of those things mentioned above.  I acknowledge there is a line, but in the context of this thread, I don't see that that line was crossed.  The post I was replying to was dealing with this issue.

And I could not agree more with your final paragraph.

 I am not defending YK.  Personally, I feel this issue was handled the wrong way.  Instead on focusing on something that might be helpful, we have this, which doesn't seem helpful at all. I understand why he made the thread, which was because he wanted to call YK out, but not in the tribute.  I get it.  I just don't think making another thread ripping on him is more justified, and the the argument of if "I don't like it don't read" is not so good, 2 way street.  Not trying to be hostel, just my opinion.

[Yknurd]

An interesting observation might be:

While being vilified, Drunky suffered the slings and arrow of the moral majority in silence.  Whimsically, he silently chided each of them as none could accurately articulate why his post was improper or immoral.

Uncharacteristically, there was a message in his post that started all this turmoil, but alas, but the righteous, lemming horde were neither intrigued nor had the capacity to hear it.

The satire of those claiming moral outrage and threatening physical violence was not lost upon his intrepid soul.

Interesting indeed.

[yanksfan]

Originally posted by Yknurd
An interesting observation might be:

While being vilified, Drunky suffered the slings and arrow of the moral majority in silence.  Whimsically, he silently chided each of them as none could accurately articulate why his post was improper or immoral.

Uncharacteristically, there was a message in his post that started all this turmoil, but alas, but the righteous, lemming horde were neither intrigued nor had the capacity to hear it.

The satire of those claiming moral outrage and threatening physical violence was not lost upon his intrepid soul.

Interesting indeed.

You need help dude

[2bighorn]

Originally posted by yanksfan
And to tell someone that they should not post such a thread and seek comfort from their friends is also a disrespectful statement.

Those opinions were expressed in respectful and civil manner.

Starting this thread was rather inappropriate and the way how people start slamming on those  who dare to disagree.

All who got problem with Drunky's post, send PM or email to HTC and it we'll be dealt with better than this thread can hope for.

[Banshee7]

Originally posted by plasticman1973
Great point Banshee7.   and respected!

Glad someone read the whole thing.  Took me 15 minutes to type it and 3 minutes to read it.  But my point is...we are all here to back up someone in their time of sorrow (I am anyway)

#S# MajIssue.  May your mother be in heaven lookin down on us.

#S#

Banshee7

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by Widewing
People need to show some common sense and compassion. Whether or not this was the proper forum for expression of grief is irrelevant. If someone doesn't feel to offer condolences, they should, at the very least, say nothing.

Agreed.

Having said that:  There isn't much sense in perpetuating a bad mistake.  We've all said unwise things that we regretted, and that those who know us recognized as out of character.  Wouldn't be a bad idea if we just dropped this now.  Both of these guys already feel bad enough.

- oldman

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by SoonerMP
In closing, I really cant wait until I see you (YK) in the arena so I can give you the mid-air thrashing you deserve. Better yet I would love to see you walking down the street so I could teach you a little respect first hand. Something your mother obviously couldnt do.

OUT,

Sooner

Anyone on this BBS, threatening anyone else on this BBS, with bodily harm, should also fall quickly to the PNG stick.

There is no excuse for this either.

[RELIC]

Originally posted by 2bighorn
How is that different for dumping anger for far lesser reason? Like some are doing in this thread?

You see, opinions of what is important, inappropriate, who deserves respect, and for what, etc, differs.

Some are of opinion that grievance is personal matter and is usually shared among family, friends and those who are close to each other, and not publicly in front of strangers. Celebrities are perhaps exception due to public nature of their lives.

It has been so for centuries, probably for a good reason.
Many here don't take death easily and have enough trouble when their family members are passing away. It would be impossible to deal with every death in this rather large community, even less when you count all the "fakes".

Just because you feel bad doesn't mean everyone else has too...

Dumping anger?  How on earth you defend this by pretending the individual who threw the first rock is the victim is beyond me...
Opinions do indeed vary but when the vast majority tells you that you have been an arse then perhaps it's time for some self reflection.
The concept that somehow MajIssue "brought this on himself" by posting in an open forum is patently disgusting.
I do not "take death easily" and would not post the loss of a parent in an open forum like this.  That is my decision but I would NEVER in a million years respond in such an insensitive manner to a member of this community who did.
I do feel bad for MajIssue and I have never met him or his family.  I guess since I have also lost a parent I can understand how he feels and I sure as hell have the common courtesy to either express my sympathy or just say nothing at all.  

Nobody is asking you to feel bad....

[thndregg]

Personally I don't mind when another player posts about the passing of a close loved one. I'm saddened, but it's out of respect for that one life that was born, done thier bit for the sake of others on this earth, and passed on. We only live here once for a short time.

[kozhedub]

Not to be Comrade Obvious here - but by posting a thread about it you just blew it up and gave it needless exposure to make your "point".

[CAP1]

Originally posted by MajWoody
If you have no compassion for the loss of a loved one, keep it to yourself & don't soil someone else's post with your diatribe.

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Originally posted by Yknurd
Sorry you feel that way...But why you found it necessary to post about your dead mother in the Aces High General Discussion forum is beyond my understanding. I sincerely hope that you can learn to post in the correct "Forum". Please take some advice that comes from my own mis-postings:

Whatever your deficiencies, I already knew that I had only one set of parents. And by definition of parents means: they gave you life. A little understanding has already prevented a "truck load" of regrets by considering her dead and gone already. My time on earth is what it is, and my love is better spent in other areas reducing my misery and eliminating self-loathing.

I couldn't care less what you wish...
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ok.....i read this at my lunch break today.........and untill now(1am my time), i couldn't even think straight if i thought about it. you sir, are the very first person in 20 years that i wish physical harm to.(thank the gods you weren't in the same room as me and saying something like that) why good people like tailspin, and this guys mom have to be taken, and *******'s like you left on earth is beyond me. you probably should simply leave the game if htc doesn't ban you for being such a cruel, cold, heartless bastage.  if htc doesn't ban you, maybe we as a community can......all it takes is for no-one to talk with you ingame, and no-one to fight you...i know i personally wouldn't give you the time of day now.....and would cross the street to not have to be near you. i'm insulted that an asss like you even is allowed to breathe the same air as me.
 you MIGHT wanna consider apologizing to the original poster......although it can't undo the damage you did, it can at least help.......all the poor guy needed was to vent a bit..............i lost my grandparents 15 years ago, and didn't.....i held it all in, cause i "couldn't" cry..or feel pain.....that's not what men do, right? well, i lost it one weekend, and it hurt worse than if i had let it out to begin with.....so to you, i say..........GO THE FFFFF AWAY!!!!!!!

[Furious]

some people just love to be offended.

[jab116]

yknurd I hope you get your face smashed in for that BS post. You deserve it loser.
Keep your A-hole analytical opinion to yourself, this was not the first time someone posted about losing a loved one on this bbs, & it won't be the last. But nobody EVER showed the disrespect you did.
Interesting would be seeing the greiving family beat your sorry A-ZZ to a pulp. I would sure like too.

[Bear76]

Originally posted by jab116
yknurd I hope you get your face smashed in for that BS post. You deserve it loser.
Keep your A-hole analytical opinion to yourself, this was not the first time someone posted about losing a loved one on this bbs, & it won't be the last. But nobody EVER showed the disrespect you did.
Interesting would be seeing the greiving family beat your sorry A-ZZ to a pulp. I would sure like too.

Wow, see how simple it was to resolve? All you had to do was have a cool head and make physical threats against someone and not let this situation escalate even further. Well done:huh

[AGM65]

Sorry Yknurd, I can't imagine anyone posting what you did. Imagine the skies will be very lonley for you for quite a while. Until your opponents get a tally-ho on you. Then you may have more company than you want.