Drivers license checkpoint

[rpm]

Originally posted by Sundowner
"Your papers, please."

Regards,
Sun

Bingo

Texas outlawed "license checkpoints" while Ann Richards was in office.

[boxboy28]

BJ great point!................but thats not what there looking for.........

[FBplmmr]

Originally posted by bj229r
If ya haven't a license, then you have no insurance---prolly 1/3 of ALL the salamanders driving around in FLA have no insurance (and many of them cannot speak English).

In FL you need to register your vehicle to get a 'tag', to register you need proof of insurance.

In theory if you have legal tag on your vehicle you have insurance.

Tallahassee gets a letter/notice if your insurance expires and you are required to turn in your 'tag'.


As a side note you are not allowed to have an un registered vehicle on our property.  I also disagree with the legality of that, if I own a vehicle I should be able to have it in my garage or driveway 'tagged' or not..it's my vehicle and my property. (this may be a local ordinance)


btw


I own one car and it is 'tagged' and legal.

[Ripsnort]

I think they should do the same for those driving without insurance as well.  Non-licensed drivers are the same threat factor as uninsured drivers.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
I don't remember reading in the constitution...."right to drive a car"

What they are checking for....as it seams...is to make sure there are liscense drivers on the road.

If you are driving a car without one you are in violation of the law.  If you wish to travel "without papers" you may walk to and from your desitination.

If they are busting liscense drivers for other things than I find it highly disturbing.  However, if they find a car with a non-liscense driver in it and decide to search and find drugs well then that's up for the courts to decide.

point being you need a liscense to drive a car in the US.

With out a link this is all a guess.

I was actually under the same impression untill I started arguing that exact point with Laz.
then I went to look up info to back my arguement and found that more and more court cases nation wide are finding that driving is indeed not a priviledge but a right.
I dont feel like looking it all up again but it had something to do with the right to travel the highways I beleive. Or something to that effect.

While I agree that driving without a licence is against the law I disagree with the roadside checks. As there 99% of the time is no probable cause.
If someone is stopped due to a violation, or due to some legitimate probable cause and it is found the driver has no licence. Or is carrying drugs, or whatever other illegal thing. then by ll means. Turn the thumbscrews.

But if there is no cause to stop and check then there is no probable cause
And lets face it
Stopping someone who is otherwise doing nothing wrong and demanding to see their licence just to be sure they have one consitutes a "search" And an unreasonable one at that other then just to check.
As there is no "probable" reason to do so.

Main Entry: 1prob·a·ble
Function: adjective
Pronunciation: 'prä-b&-b&l, 'prä(b)-b&l
Etymology: Middle English, provable, from Middle French, from Latin probabilis commendable, probable, from probare to test, approve, prove -- more at PROVE
1 : supported by evidence strong enough to establish presumption but not proof
Main Entry: 2probable
Function: noun
: one that is probable

And the all important

Main Entry: probable cause
Function: noun
: a reasonable ground for supposing that a charge is well-founded

To stop people to check for licences. One would have to have "a reasonable ground for supposing that a charge is well-founded"

If a driver is doing nothing wrong. Then there is no reasonable ground nor is one well founded for supposing a charge.

[john9001]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
 Non-licensed drivers are the same threat factor as uninsured drivers.

you are assuming that licensed drivers are skilled enough that they will not run into you, but if they do they will have insurance to fix your car.

having a drivers license has nothing to do with driving skill, it's just another tax and a way to control the people.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by john9001
you are assuming that licensed drivers are skilled enough that they will not run into you, but if they do they will have insurance to fix your car.

having a drivers license has nothing to do with driving skill, it's just another tax and a way to control the people.

It certainly does not have anything to do with driving skill, but AT LEAST they are required to take some sort of written and physical test to get one.  That's better than learning via accidents IMO.

Besides, there is a reason they suspend drivers license. Enforcing it (via check point) is good IMO.

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I was actually unbder the same impression untill I started arguing that exact point with Laz.
then I went to look up info to back my arguement and found that more and more court cases nation wide are finding that driving is indeed not a priviledge but a right.
I dont feel like looking it all up again but it had something to do with the right to travel the highways I beleive. Or something to that effect.

It has to do with the part where the powers of the Legislatures and Federal Governments are set out.  It says that the government has the power to regulate interstate commerce.


Constitutionalists and fans of the Bill of Rights realize that this means that they do NOT have the right to regulate non commercial travel.

Basically, if you're not doing business with your car, (not traveling to your business) then the government has no right to tell you what you can or can't do with it.

[bj229r]

Originally posted by FBplmmr
In FL you need to register your vehicle to get a 'tag', to register you need proof of insurance.

In theory if you have legal tag on your vehicle you have insurance.

Tallahassee gets a letter/notice if your insurance expires and you are required to turn in your 'tag'.


As a side note you are not allowed to have an un registered vehicle on our property.  I also disagree with the legality of that, if I own a vehicle I should be able to have it in my garage or driveway 'tagged' or not..it's my vehicle and my property. (this may be a local ordinance)


btw


I own one car and it is 'tagged' and legal.

I lived in Tampa for 20 years, and a goodly % of the cars there (more so near the hood) had their tag (FLA only requires tag on back) LAYING in the rear window deck, or mebbe a piece of cardboard where tag was supposed to be with some number written in sharpie, along with 'lost tag' written underneath....many others had 90 day temp tags that were so squealing wore out that the ink was gone, and even many of THEM were also laying under back window (the TINTED, back window) Maybe is a big-city thing, the kind of stuff they tolerate. (In hood, homeys actually sat in LOUNGE CHAIRS on street corner holding up crack baggies for sale) You also could actually get a 30-day insurance policy (I left in '95, maybe this is gone) which would allow you to get a tag. Stolen cars could be driven at will for WEEKS in the hood and cops would never notice--This tells me that verifying insurance info prolly isnt being done, although the info is available to them if they want it

I move to Roanoke, can't get to 7/11 and back with bad tail-light without getting pulled over.

[vorticon]

Originally posted by Ripsnort


Besides, there is a reason they suspend drivers license. Enforcing it (via check point) is good IMO.

i can see setting up checkstops down the street from bars during holidays...

randomly stopping people to see if they have a license...hard to justify.

[john9001]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
It certainly does not have anything to do with driving skill, but AT LEAST they are required to take some sort of written and physical test to get one.  That's better than learning via accidents IMO.

Germany is a country that takes its driving very seriously. This is understandable when you realize that a German driver’s license costs about $1500-2000, after a minimum of 25-45 hours of professional instruction plus 12 hours of theory, and such a license is good for life.

now that is a drivers license. The USA should have a license like that, then maybe there would not be 42000 auto deaths per year in the US.

 Side note, alcohol "related" deaths are 16000, the rest are caused by sober drivers.

[bustr]

Wow I wish the 2nd A was this easy and civil to discuss. Very good and thought provoking  thread so far. Thank you guys.........

[bustr]

Originally posted by john9001
Germany is a country that takes its driving very seriously. This is understandable when you realize that a German driver’s license costs about $1500-2000, after a minimum of 25-45 hours of professional instruction plus 12 hours of theory, and such a license is good for life.

now that is a drivers license. The USA should have a license like that, then maybe there would not be 42000 auto deaths per year in the US.

 Side note, alcohol "related" deaths are 16000, the rest are caused by sober drivers.

Wow, 16,000 deaths a year by alcohol. The number is very similare by firearm. This is too weird of a corolairy to think about...licensing and such due to fatalities by operation of an inanimate object. Starting to see where licensing gets its mues for nonauto inanimate objects........hmmmm

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
It certainly does not have anything to do with driving skill, but AT LEAST they are required to take some sort of written and physical test to get one.  That's better than learning via accidents IMO.

Besides, there is a reason they suspend drivers license. Enforcing it (via check point) is good IMO.

Think back ot the last driving test you saw.
Think about it. Any 7 year old kid who has ever driven a go cart can pass most driving tests..
The most difficult part on most driving tests is parallel parking  

[john9001]

thats 16000 alcohol "related" deaths, if a sober driver hits and kills a drunk pedestrian it is alcohol "related", if alcohol was in any way involved in the accident it is reported as alcohol "related", along with things like time of day, road conditions, wet, dry, snow, ice, etc.