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Offline Bosch232

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« on: January 27, 2008, 03:25:57 PM »
Hello,

I just joined.  I really like it, but the learning curve is a bit much.  I would like to know how to hook up with other people flying bombers in any given arena.  I've only been on the war servers a few times, but I haven't seen anyone else flying B-17's (or any other bomber for that matter).

Am I just sick in the head for liking them, or why am I missing out on the other bomber guys?

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Offline SgtPappy

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« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2008, 04:04:20 PM »
No way, we got a lot of other bomber pilots...
Pee-38 pilots! :p

The bombers are great... I think everyone respects them, I mean, fighter pilots make movies.. bomber pilots make history.

At any rate, I think the best way to find other bomber pilots is just to go to the laid-back areas like the TA or the lobby if it ever gets back up soon. The most important thing, IMO about flying a bomber is gunnery and the ability to switch back and forth between the exact gunner you want ASAP. And remember to fly relatively high-alt on a run since most fighter pilots are fighting at med alt to the down low; 16K - SL.
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« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2008, 04:19:01 PM »
there are a couple of good threads on these message boards that explain bombing pretty well. Also check out the training pages, there are some great write ups there on bombing. Then itys time to put all that knowledge to practice. Getting the basics down in the training arena is a bit easier, and less time consuming. They have air starts there, which means you don't have to waste time climbing to altitude for a practice runs.

A few tips, never take more than 50% fuel. 25% will get you most places and back, but for the longest haul 50 is max.  Use auto take off till you get use to flying the heavies. In most cases, I rollout, and go level as soon as I can getting my flaps back up. Run level for a few minutes to build your speed then go to auto climb. When flying a formation, don't turn too hard, the other two planes don't respond as quick and will blow up if they drift to far away.

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« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2008, 04:27:05 PM »
I think there are some hi-alt bases in the TA that let you practice 15k-ish bombing (without the time-consuming climbout), which is where you want to be if returning to base alive is one of your goals
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« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2008, 04:50:51 PM »
Ill be happy to show you what I know. Fly rook and ask me first to join. Im mostly in fighters now but we can take up some heavies. Or ask me in the TA. One thing tho is you have to have your mic, audio, and headphones set up.
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« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2008, 05:07:27 PM »
Look for me also on rooks -redleg11 I'll help you out.
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« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2008, 05:54:50 PM »
Thanks for the replies, you guys.  I didn't know you could "air-start" in the TA, so if someone can tell me how that's done, I'll definitely mess around in there some more.

The TA is a useful tool, I'm glad they have it available.  (And I guess I better be getting the mic thing set up, eh?)  :)
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« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2008, 06:12:50 PM »
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No way, we got a lot of other bomber pilots...
Pee-38 pilots! :p


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« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2008, 06:23:23 PM »
The most experienced bomber's i know currently are Spikes ( mstwntd), Rich4yo( bombrich ), and 999000 ( best IMO, and a MASTER shot with those AA guns on the buffs.

try to get in contact with them and they'll show you the ropes if your committed and have a good attitude. Btw just so you know, if you find spikes, ask him to show you that light bomber, what's it called?  Oh yeah


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« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2008, 08:27:33 PM »
always retract your flaps you never need them to get off the ground always haul more than enough fuel to get to your target and back because you might get an fuel leak it hapens almost every time 75 max unless you plan on going up the 30000 feet you might need max in b17 go to a max of about 33000 feet because at 30000 you can go over 300mph
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« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2008, 06:45:14 AM »
1, Learn to use the F3 views in your gun positions. I often calibrate a long ways from target and then just fly the airplane in front gun/F3 view using my rudders. As long as you dont do anything to crazy, and stay at a set speed, you retain calibration.

2, On medium bombers with no belly gun learn to use alt/X to defeat belly attacks. Type .speed 140 into the plane and when a fighter attacks your belly hit alt/x. What it will do is put you in a tight,tight climb and put the con in your rear gunners sights much earlier. You will see him cause you are in rea gun/F3/view under, and your watching him come up. Also learn to roll the airplane with rudders when fireing ,AND, absolutely learn to use your waist guns.

3, Spend time in M16s on the ground. Put them in 1st gear and drive around shooting the 0.50s to learn the lead.

4, In a fight turn,turn,turn. Always strive to put the con in your 6. By doing this you often will stretch out an opponent into the horizontal.

5, Plan attack angles away from the conga line. Also study the target maps and always have printed out copies by you.

6, Always take more gas then you need in bombers. I never take less then 3/4ths. Targets change in-flight. They get hit by others or team-mates call for higher priority strikes. Or, you can get hit in the fuel tank. A lot of things can happen.

7, In KI-67s learn to roll it and get the top cannon into play. You will know when its in play because you will hear it shooting. But at many angles you have to roll it using your rudders, while your in another gun, to get it into play. I have a better then 2 kills to every death ratio in this bomber it is so lethal against fighters.

8, When against an uber-bomber killer and hes high over you, in stead of going into top gun view go into top gun/F3 and watch him. When he comes at you then switch to the top gun. This way you wont get as disorientated and will be able to keep better awareness around you.

9, With multiple cons coming at you your goal is to force them, or coax them, to get greedy and not act as a team. So turn fight using your rudders and try to keep them at unequal distances from you. Any heavy 4 cannon fighter will have to be dealt with first.

10, Your objective is to always try and turn a gunfight to the horizontal and not the vertical. The first tool to do that is speed and altitude. While I dont climb to fight avoiding altitude I do stay between 10,000' to 14,000'. The reasoning behind it is since a bomber has so much more gas and range you want to force a fighter con into a position where he has to decide between attacking at a poor angle or heading home. The other day I waited out a talented guy in a spit. He decided to eventually come into the 6 of B-26s and was dead before he got to 800k.

11, Treat enemy radars like a vampire does a cross.

12, Learn to play dumb. If your droning along and an enemy con happens upon you dont even move, just watch him. Often bomber sticks leave their desk during quiet times and the enemy knows it. Let him approach without you even twitching. Ease off your throttle to get him even closer. And then BAM!, let him have it.

13, Learn to "bounce your drones". When things go bad hitting your rudders hard can bounce your drones around confusing an enemy. Once the danger is past ease off your throttle, fly straight, and let your drones come back, all the time keeping an eye on the enemy.

14, Map your gun positions into your controller and practice going to them, and switching between them, while in-flight during quiet times. Ive mapped the airplanes and gun positions into the lower 7 switches of my X-52 and I can switch from gun to gun, plane to plane, without even thinking.

                         These are tips from my own style of play. I myself dont load 1/4th fuel in Lancs, jump into the conga line, and dive bomb from 3,000'. I fly them in close to historical fashion, " lower alts then historical".

                         My favorite bombers are the B-26, B-17, KI-67s, A-20, and AR-234s. Like I said if you see me in the TA I can walk you thru this stuff.
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« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2008, 07:16:37 AM »
As a Bomber pilot the key things you need to look at.

What are you intending to attack,  Strats, towns, airfields or vehicle bases.

On your clipboard in game right click and select clipboard maps.  This gives you a brief outline of your targets.  

Select the appropriate plane and loadout.  As people have said you rarely need more than 25-50% fuel.

Look for altitude fields near your intended target.  If they aren't too far from target this gets you up to altitude quicker.  i'd say 15-20k should be good to start with I prefer to operate around 12-15k.

Calibration!  Is the key to a good bomb run search this forum for threads regarding it and practice in the Training arena until your happy that you can hit the target.

Gunnery comes with practice.  A set of B17's should easily be able to kill 3 enemy planes before running into trouble.  

There are many bomber pilots in the game and many prove very useful to capturing fields.  Just 1 skilled set of Bombers can make a huge difference.  

I hope you find what your looking for.

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« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2008, 07:17:04 AM »
If you fly knights there is one squad I know flies bombers alot called       "(+)Precision".  If you look for those guys they would give you a hand.  

The learning curve is huge in MA!  I found it easiest to do more of what your doing now...I learned bombers first, moved on to GV's, now I am working on fighters.  Been playing for over a year now and still learning.

Most important things a bomber pilot needs to know are the amount of ords needed to take down a target and how to calibrate properly.
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« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2008, 12:26:40 PM »
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Originally posted by Bosch232
Thanks for the replies, you guys.  I didn't know you could "air-start" in the TA, so if someone can tell me how that's done, I'll definitely mess around in there some more.

The TA is a useful tool, I'm glad they have it available.  (And I guess I better be getting the mic thing set up, eh?)  :)


IN the upper right part of the map is the bombing area. Select your bomber and then spawn south I believe it is. Remember to raise gear soon. If you do use autotakeoff, it will get you flying level and still keep the drones in formation.
If you react hard on the controls and try to pull up you can easily snap the wings off.
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« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2008, 01:29:39 PM »
In an earlier thread Stroker mentioned a Bomber squadron. (Precision)
I am the CO. of (+) and if you are ever on playing on the Knights Tune your radio to one of our members and have them direct you to myself or ask them for help and training. If they don't help you out let me know and I will get you squared away. Basic training for precision bombing can be done in about an hour. unless you are into carpet bombing. then don't bother with training. just keep clicking the drop button...

there are several things that you need to know how to do. but once you do you can take up one wing of B-17's or 24's and shut down any base other than a large.