109g-10

[wrag]

Originally posted by Krusty
FYI Wrag, that's our point. Your reduction of weight is reducing it in the place that makes the plane tail heavy and less stable.

If you burn 70 gallons off before you get to a fight, you burn 70 gallons. It's a given, let's say. WHICH 70 gallons you burn makes a difference. So forget that they're named "AUX" or "AFT"

one holds 70, one holds 30. It takes the same time to burn the one as it does to burn the smaller one and 40 of the larger one. It takes the same time to burn the fuel, no matter where it's stored.

So, why not burn off the tank that destabilizes your plane and makes you tail heavy?

Maybe the issue is you don't feel it... Are you taking 100% internal? If you don't, the aux tank isn't filled and you won't be feeling what we feel. I ask only because I know a lot of folks take 50%/75% and DT to save weight, or don't plan on longer sorties.

Take a 190a8 up offline, switch to AFT, increase fuel burn to 100, burn it off,, and before switching tanks turn it back to 0.01 burn. Fly around, pull some hard manuvers. Starts feeling pretty squirrelly, compared to the same loadout with full FWD and 1/2 listed on AFT (about the same gas loadout)


As for the G10, I still say it's got little to no use in MA. That said, I *am* for a G-14/AS for scenario use and all that.

Krusty..............

I'm thinkin the best way to deal with this is to drop it!

I DISAGREE with you!

From my experience flying A8's and F8's I burn the AFT tank 1st!

Why?

Because the plane PREFORMS better SOONER.

It's that SIMPLE!

Now I've said this several times.

MOST people would get the HINT.

I suggest you drop the matter UNLESS you can somehow PROVE the A8's and F8's preform better your way.

I have NOT found that to be the case!

[wrag]

Originally posted by moot
Wrag the fuel burn rate is the same on both tanks.  Of course an empty AFT tank and full FWD & AUX are better than empty AUX and full AFT & FWD, that's because AUX is barely further aft than AFT and half AFT's volume.
What you seem to be saying is that you don't want to manualy burn AUX and then switch to AFT.  Nevertheless burning AUX's 30gal first is better than burning 30gal from the AFT.  To get that greater agility from burning AFT before AUX you need to burn the whole AFT tank which takes X amount of time, and in this same X amount of time you could've burnt the whole AUX tank + more than half the AFT tank.

I'm not making it up, AUX is the best one to burn first.  It's elementary

edit- and I just saw that Krusty typed out the exact same thing I came up with
And I mentioned 109s because you mentioned their confirmation that having a DT helped agility.  The 109's DT is furthest ahead too, IIRC.  So it may even be advantageous to have a full DT and empty MAIN at speeds where the extra drag isn't too large yet..

Please see my reply to Krusty.

[moot]

We can agree to disagree but you're wrong wrag.  It's plain physics.  
1) The engine's fuel consumption is the same no matter what the tank.  
2) An equal amount of ballast removed from aft will be more beneficial than from fwd.  
3) AUX is further aft than AFT.

[wrag]

Originally posted by moot
We can agree to disagree but you're wrong wrag.  It's plain physics.  
1) The engine's fuel consumption is the same no matter what the tank.  
2) An equal amount of ballast removed from aft will be more beneficial than from fwd.  
3) AUX is further aft than AFT.

You keep sayin that and I keep tellin you that when I fly those planes IF I do what you suggest I get SNAP STALLS (one wing snaps down or up and the plane rolls with VERY little actual maneuver affect!), BUT when I burn off the AFT 1st the SNAP STALL are MUCH harder to induce and the plane actually MANEUVERS.

I'm NOT ARGUING physics here!

I'm referring to how the plane preforms in AH.

You apparently have a problem with that.  I however do NOT.  I will fly the plane the way it preforms BEST for ME NOT YOU!

The PHYSICS you refer to may be OFF in the AH FM I don't know.  Ask HTC.

NOW do YOU perhaps finally understand what I AM TALKING ABOUT?

WHEN the plane we're are talking about ACTUALLY preforms as you say it does I will GLADLY burn the fuel tanks in the order you claim works better.


SOOOOOOOOOOOO do YOU UNDERSTAND that i'm telling you?  Do YOU understand I don't CARE what argument you put forward?

Why?  Because IMHO your argument SEEMS about as accurate as Krusty's math!

AND IMHO you Sir are WRONG!

In the mean time how about you fly the planes yourself, try using BOTH techniques, and see what happens.

DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU?

BTW I normally fly both the F8 and A8 with 100% fuel.

[moot]

I first noticed and understood how fuel burn orders affected agility while flying the A8, as a matter of fact.  It was obvious to me then (I don't fly it much at all anymore) that aux was the worst thing to have, much the same way it is in 47s and 51s.

I'm going to try it out, since empirical proof is what means anything to you.

[Platano]

I love this thread :-)

[OntosMk1]

Das Ist Kapoot!!

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If they deleted it, don't they have the original G10 files stored somewhere?