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lasersailor184 · « **Reply #135 on:** January 29, 2008, 10:51:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Airscrew
So it was ok for England to sieze colonial ships and take sailors and press them in to Royal Navy service.

It was ok for English soldiers to seize homes and properties to use for their army.

It was ok for English Colonial Govenours to tax people whatever they could.

It was ok for England to deny the colonials right to self govern themselves and hold offices and make determinations what was best for themselves rather than a King and a parliment thousands of miles away.

The pressing of American sailors into British service happened later.

Again, the use of american homes wasn't done willy nilly. When it was done, it was used as a temporary shelter as the troops were on to somewhere else.

But the colonial governors didn't go ape**** with the taxes. Our taxes were very low, without even considering what everyone else in the modern world was taxed.

We didn't have the power to govern ourselves, but we pretty much did what we wanted anyway. But, this may be attributed to having a wild frontier to discover and travel to.

It's a lot like that quote, "Would we rather give up a single Tyrant 5000 miles away for 5000 Tyrants one mile away?"

Arlo · « **Reply #136 on:** January 29, 2008, 10:59:49 PM »

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Originally posted by Xargos
So...You're willing to support a Black Supremacist?

Well ... let's just say I'm hesitant to take a twit as seriously as he wants over that, at present. Get back to me when rationality resumes.

Airscrew · « **Reply #137 on:** January 29, 2008, 11:02:14 PM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Again, the use of american homes wasn't done willy nilly. When it was done, it was used as a temporary shelter as the troops were on to somewhere else.

So you'd be ok if the 7th Cav showed up at your house tonight with about 150 soliders and said sorry you're sleeping outside, we need your house and oh feed my men and gas our humvees... and sorry dont ask for any reimbersment either, do it for your king...errr country...

Sorry Laser its late and I'm buggin out... but I think some of your history books were missing a few pages, maybe even a couple of chapters....

Xargos · « **Reply #138 on:** January 29, 2008, 11:03:52 PM »

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Originally posted by Arlo
Well ... let's just say I'm hesitant to take a twit as seriously as he wants over that, at present. Get back to me when rationality resumes.

You need to check your facts.

Arlo · « **Reply #139 on:** January 29, 2008, 11:12:38 PM »

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Originally posted by Xargos
You need to check your facts.

You need to get a grip.

Xargos · « **Reply #140 on:** January 29, 2008, 11:16:39 PM »

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Originally posted by Arlo
You need to get a grip.

I have a grip on my Johnnie Walker Black.

I'm still angry that I won't be able to write-in who I want to in the General election. My anger is not at you.

Arlo · « **Reply #141 on:** January 29, 2008, 11:17:39 PM »

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I have a grip on my Johnnie Walker Black.

I'm still angry that I won't be able to write-in who I want to in the General election. My anger is not at you.

Both of those we can agree on. With you there.

C(Sea)Bass · « **Reply #142 on:** January 29, 2008, 11:18:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Xargos
I have a grip on my Johnnie Walker Black.

I'm still angry that I won't be able to write-in who I want to in the General election. My anger is not at you.

Bring a sharpie with you and write the name regardless, if they have issues tell them they are violating your rights.

Xargos · « **Reply #143 on:** January 29, 2008, 11:31:34 PM »

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Originally posted by C(Sea)Bass
Bring a sharpie with you and write the name regardless, if they have issues tell them they are violating your rights.

I wish it where that easy. I think this is the one election that will matter for the future of the United States, and the rest of the World.

RATTFINK · « **Reply #144 on:** January 29, 2008, 11:34:16 PM »

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I wish it where that easy. I think this is the one election that will matter for the future of the United States, and the rest of the World.

Indeed!

Hap · « **Reply #145 on:** January 30, 2008, 12:08:55 AM »

This is too weird. I'm agreeing with Laser's recitation of the facts.

I'm comforting myself that there's no common ground for shared conclusions.

Someone double-check for me. I'm aghast. There's either a type-o by Real Clear Politics on Mc Cain's speech text after winning Florida, or their speech writers do not know the difference between "abrogate" and "arrogate."

I'm hoping for the type-o.

Anyhow, I did dash off an email to Mc Cain's HQ and offered myself as a speech writer. Maybe the English degrees will come in handy after all.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #146 on:** January 30, 2008, 08:15:26 AM »

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Originally posted by Airscrew
So you'd be ok if the 7th Cav showed up at your house tonight with about 150 soliders and said sorry you're sleeping outside, we need your house and oh feed my men and gas our humvees... and sorry dont ask for any reimbersment either, do it for your king...errr country...

Sorry Laser its late and I'm buggin out... but I think some of your history books were missing a few pages, maybe even a couple of chapters....

First off, I am not agreeing with it. I am merely telling you that it wasn't as bad as most people think it was. All these reasons for the war DID happen, however they weren't nearly as bad as severity as presented.

It wasn't like a battalion would show up one day and take your house. If a group of soldiers like a company were passing through and weren't able to set up camp for some reason or other you'd be asked (ordered) to house 4-5 soldiers, while the rest of the company was split up over the other houses in the neighborhood.

All of this isn't to say that it was bad we fought the revolution. It's to convince you that the founding fathers really didn't care about freedom. They only cared about gaining power for themselves. It's also to convince you that the divisive partisanship we experience today has occurred since before the formation of the Declaration of Independence.

lazs2 · « **Reply #147 on:** January 30, 2008, 08:33:04 AM »

arlo.. don't they always register guns first.. before they take em away?

Talking to brit and aussie guys on gun boards and such they all say the same thing.. "don't let em register your firearms"

I would say that they have a better idea of what can happen than you do.

As for semi auto versions of military arms? it matters not if we need em or not.. not really a matter of "need" in my opinion.. what is telling about that tho is that they have caused little or no problems in society.. if they are banned then why not ban other guns that are used ten times as often in crime and shootings?

It is worriesome that some of the candidates (who know nothing of firearms) seem so fixated on these and other guns. That is all.. when they take such an unreasonable and dishonest (pretending to not hate firearms) position you can't help but wonder what form of logic they use to make other decisions and how little they think of individual rights and... how honest they will be in their other positions.

People who know and like guns see only that these guys are being ignorant and dishonest.. we might not know about the hows and whys of their other positions but we can't help but assume that they will be just as ignorant and dishonest.

lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #148 on:** January 30, 2008, 08:37:37 AM »

As for the "rational position" pointed out earlier... the "king" thing.

No.. they are not king.. but they appoint supreme court and federal judges... they veto bills.

osama bama and billary would put in left wing radical judges (like bill did) and encourage hundreds of gun grab bills to come across her desk.

There is a sc ruling pending on the second. does anyone here have any doubt how it would go if a democrat had put the last two supreme court judges on?

that is how our kings work.. they appoint the judges and veto bills.

Every bad thing that is America today is a result of radical lefty judges on the nations courts.

lazs

midnight Target · « **Reply #149 on:** January 30, 2008, 10:19:38 AM »

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Originally posted by Xargos
I have a grip on my Johnnie Walker Black.

JW is more overrated than McCain.