The honorable Ted Kennedy

[Arlo]

Originally posted by Airscrew
Selective agreeing?  In the O'club? say it aint so...

It ain't so!

[john9001]

arlo, guns are not "toys", but a librul like you would not know that.

[Yknurd]

Originally posted by Xargos
People who think the Second Amendment is, or ever was, about hunting are idiots.

That's right!  It's about keeping the King of England out of your living room!

[Gunthr]

I was proud to cast my vote in the Florida primary this evening.  The process was very smooth where I voted...  you give them your driver's license, they swipe it through a machine, you sign your name electronicallly with a stylus and it prints out a receipt with your sig on it.  You go over to another old duffer sitting at a table, show him your d/l,  and he has you sign some kind of a voter's log with an ink pen.  Then you vote in a booth with a very clear and easily read touch screen.  Continue to the last screen, review and hit the CAST VOTE button.

For me, it was between Romney and Guliani.  There are things I don't care for about each.  But there are multiple things I can't abide with McCain.  I would not think of throwing my vote away on a candidate who can't win.  I wanted my vote to count.  I voted for Romney, given that the race is so close with McCain.

Arlo said

...Actually, it appears America (liberal or otherwise - many a Republican included) wants a better president. Extremists of the far right persuasion just want a "Republican" in office (any Republican not extreme enough being branded a "RINO"). They could care less about quality, from what I've seen of the trend, as of late. - Arlo

 I'm not an extremist, just a conservative.  As I see it, this is a simple tug of war in the country - capitalism versus socialism.  Its that simple.  It just so happens that this ideological struggle is split along party lines at the moment.  (If I could choose between John F. Kennedy or McCain for example, I would vote for Kennedy because in my opinion he had more conservative values. what counts to me is conservative values, not the name of lthe party.)

[john9001]

Kennedy was a young fool, his daddy bought the election and Kennedy almost got us into WW3 when he and McNamara botched up the bay of pigs invasion.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Yknurd
That's right!  It's about keeping the King of England out of your living room!

It was also designed as a protection to keep your own government out of your livingroom

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"

-- Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

& what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that his people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms.

-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Col. William S. Smith, 1787

"A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves ... and include all men capable of bearing arms."

-- Senator Richard Henry Lee, 1788, on "militia" in the 2nd Amendment

Are we at last brought to such a humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defence? Where is the difference between having our arms in our own possession and under our own direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defence be the *real* object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?

That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United states who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms...

-- Samuel Adams, in "Phila. Independent Gazetteer", August 20, 1789
The danger (where there is any) from armed citizens, is only to the *government*, not to *society*; and as long as they have nothing to revenge in the government (which they cannot have while it is in their own hands) there are many advantages in their being accustomed to the use of arms, and no possible disadvantage.

-- Joel Barlow, "Advice to the Privileged Orders", 1792-93


-- Patrick Henry, speech of June 9 1788

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their revolutionary right to dismember it or overthrow it."

-- Abraham Lincoln, 4 April 1861

[TwentyFo]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
It was also designed as a protection to keep your own government out of your livingroom

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"

-- Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

How do you know that he isn't talking about wearing short sleave shirts? I personally always bear my arms. J/K:rofl

[john9001]

Originally posted by TwentyFo
How do you know that he isn't talking about wearing short sleave shirts? I personally always bear my arms. J/K:rofl

because Jefferson wasn't talking to fools, he was talking to men. Free men that had just fought a seven year war against England.

[RATTFINK]

Who?  Teddy where's my pants, car keys, lawyer to cover-up mishaps w/ someone other then my wife Kennedy??

Is that the one?

[Yeager]

Get rid of the people and there will be nobody to use the guns. Problem solved
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As long as we continue to protect the human rights of child murderers, rapist and  the bottom most scum in the human gene pool we will all need to be able to defend ourselves, because the state aint doing it.

Below find the link to the most recent local animal scum of the week.  This guy simply needs to be put down, once and for all and tomorrow morning would suit me just fine.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004151790_webwilliams29m.html

[Xargos]

Originally posted by Yknurd
That's right!  It's about keeping the King of England out of your living room!

Hillary and Obama are far worse then any King of England ever was.


P.S.  And the only difference between Ted Kennedy and McCain is Mary Jo Kopechne.

[lasersailor184]

Very few people know much history about the revolution.  Not counting any struggles caused by war, but we were living better under the King of England then we were under the Confederacy.  And even under the constitution was cutting about even.

[RedTop]

I have personal term limit voting now. From now on , no matter the job they SAY they have done , they get voted out.

I'll never (hopefully) ever vote for anyone for more than 1 term in ANY election.

[TwentyFo]

Originally posted by Xargos
Hillary and Obama are far worse then any King of England ever was.

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And the award for overstatement of the year goes to....

[Arlo]

Originally posted by john9001
arlo, guns are not "toys", but a librul like you would not know that.

Actually, to many survivalist gun-nutjobs they are. They just like throwing around "serious" fear/liberty arguments to protect the collection. They throw little hissy fits when they perceive the government may get in the way of their fun. They make up all sorts of straw boogymen like "der evul Demo-crat dat hates me havin' guns" or the "socialist commie infiltrator that wants this country to collapse from within by takin' away my guns" or "the criminal who wants to have an unfair advantage by making me have a legal gun when has an illegal one" or ..... whatever.

I like guns. Always have. Toy ones. Real ones. The real ones were more fun. But I don't slide off into paranoia/rationalizationville when I feel my toy collection is being threatened. Probably because I actually do know they're not just toys. Go figure.

Guess it takes an extreme survivalist gun-nutjob to confuse that.