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Offline Karnak

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« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2008, 02:51:58 PM »
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The JU52 could only carry 3x 7.92(?) miniguns I believe. The same to which our JU-88 has, I believe.

I don't think they had significantly overlapping fields of fire, unlike the Ju88A-4's four 7.92mm machine guns.

Would anybody trade 50mph for, functionally, a single 7.92mm machine gun when being attacked by a La-7, Typhoon, P-47, Mosquito or Bf110?  I'd take the 230mph aircraft over the 180mph aircraft  with the pop gun everytime.  Shorter exposure to danger means more than an ineffective defense against it.
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« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2008, 04:12:25 PM »
Ju52 pic taken at the 100th anniversary of Toussu Lenoble airport in 2007
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« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2008, 04:51:43 PM »
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The JU52 could only carry 3x 7.92(?) miniguns I believe. The same to which our JU-88 has, I believe.

Id be quite fine with it if they were miniguns.
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« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2008, 05:11:46 PM »
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I don't think they had significantly overlapping fields of fire, unlike the Ju88A-4's four 7.92mm machine guns.

Would anybody trade 50mph for, functionally, a single 7.92mm machine gun when being attacked by a La-7, Typhoon, P-47, Mosquito or Bf110?  I'd take the 230mph aircraft over the 180mph aircraft  with the pop gun everytime.  Shorter exposure to danger means more than an ineffective defense against it.


Being as all of the attacking aircraft you mentioned are all capable of over 300 mph. on the deck, 230 mph. isn't as much defense as even a single 7.92mm MG. I think either way you're dead. It's just the C-47 can get the troops' there for a capture a little bit quicker.
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« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2008, 05:17:36 PM »
No, it isn't.  What that 50mph means is you are out in the danger area for a much shorter time.  If you get caught in either you are dead.
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« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2008, 05:31:25 PM »
What about Sm. 79 Italian Bomber/Transport, would fill 2 missing roles :aok

http://www.aviation-history.com/savoia-marchetti/sm79.html
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« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2008, 04:48:50 AM »
none looked at my pic :cry
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« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2008, 05:16:48 AM »
excellent pic :aok
What is the A/C in the foreground? It looks almost like a Beech?
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« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2008, 05:38:54 AM »
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What about Sm. 79 Italian Bomber/Transport, would fill 2 missing roles :aok

http://www.aviation-history.com/savoia-marchetti/sm79.html


Very clever idea;)
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« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2008, 07:51:20 AM »
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What about Sm. 79 Italian Bomber/Transport, would fill 2 missing roles :aok

http://www.aviation-history.com/savoia-marchetti/sm79.html


Excellent idea... This definetly has my support. That way the Italians get another aircraft as well. Now that is true utility... :)

Cheers:aok
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« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2008, 08:30:24 AM »
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excellent pic :aok
What is the A/C in the foreground? It looks almost like a Beech?


I don't know, I would like to know. I think I have a better pic of it, I'll post it later if nobody found it.
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« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2008, 12:38:49 AM »
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Possibility but other than in axis vs allies has it a role?

In my opinion next plane should be German or Soviet Bomber


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There were three versions - the Fw 200A, B, and C. The Model A was a purely civilian plane used by Lufthansa, DDL in Denmark, and Syndicato Condor in Brazil. The Fw 200B and Fw 200C models were used as long-range bombers, reconnaissance, troop and transport planes.

Type: Maritime reconaissance bomber, missle platform, and transport
Origin: Focke Wulf Flugzeugbau GmbH, in partnership with Hamburger Flugzeugbau (Blohm und Voss)
Engine:
Type: BMW-Bramo Fafnir 323R-2 nine-cylinder radial
Number: Four
Horsepower:
1,200hp at 2,600rpm with Methanol-water injection for take-off and emergency
1,000hp at 2,500rpm at sea level
950hp at 2,500rpm at 13,124ft (4,000m)

Fuel:
Standard Fuel Capacity: 1,773 Imperial Gallons (8,060 Liters)
Overload Fuel Capacity: 2,190 Imperial Gallons (9,955 Liters)
Type: N/A

Dimensions:
Wing span 32.84m
Length 23.46m
Height: 6.3m
Wing Surface Area: 1,270.14 Sq. Ft.

Weights:
Empty: 12,951kg (28,550 lbs.)
Loaded: 22,700kg (50,045 lbs.)

Performance: Fw 200 C-3/U4

Maximum Speed:
190mph (306kph) at sea level
224mph (360kph) at 15,750ft (4,800m)

Maximum Continuous cruise:
172mph (277kph) at sea level
208mph (355kph) at 13,125ft (4,000m)

Economy cruise:
158mph (255kph)

Range at Economy Cruise:
2,210 mls (3,556 km) With Standard Fuel
2,760 mls (4,440 km) With Overload Fuel

Service Ceiling: 19,030ft (5800m)

Armament:
Forward Dorsal Turret:
One 15mm MG 151/15, One 20mm MG 151/20 Or One 7.92mm MG 15 with 1,000 rnds mounted in hydralically operated FW 19 turret
Ventral Gondola:
One 20mm MG 151/20 with 500 rnds. manually aimed at front
One 7.92mm MG 15 with 1,000 rnds. manually aimed at rear

Beam:
Two 7.92mm MG 15 Or Two 13mm MG 131 with 300 rnds.

Aft Dorsal Position:
One 13mm MG 131 with 500 rnds.

Bomb Load:
4,626 lbs. (2100kg) carried in ventral gondola and beneath wings

Missle Load: (C-6 to C-8 models)
Two Hs 293 Anit-Ship Missles under outboard nacells

Avionics:
Fw 200 C-8: Fug 200 Hohentwiel Search And Bombing Radar


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« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2008, 03:07:08 AM »
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Excellent idea... This definetly has my support. That way the Italians get another aircraft as well. Now that is true utility... :)

Cheers:aok


What he said and wish I had:aok
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« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2008, 04:25:10 AM »
I actually have a thread in the wish list for the Italian planes. :aok
Y'all post there for support :D
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« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2008, 05:58:50 AM »
The Ju-52 was also used as a bomber in the SCW. the Fw 200 was a horibbly weak airframe annd I have at least 1 pic of a Condor that's broken in half..
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