Fw 190 D-9

[crockett]

I couldn't agree more with Festers post. Learning how to manage your E in a fight against multiple cons takes so much more skill than 1 v 1 turn fights. Much less getting hits on any of the multiple cons.

E is your life in this game, lose it and you die if out numbered. I have to say Fester has to be one of the best at holding his E getting amazing shot and not dieing.

[JB73]

Originally posted by SkyRock
Don't know who he is, maybe a newb......but for certain he nailed his assessment spot on!:aok

don't make me get luftwaffen on your arse Mark

[Xasthur]

Originally posted by quintisv
Every "decent stick" ive seen in LW is a BnZ "OH NOES RUN AWAY!!!!!!!" dweeb



fly late 109s mainly not exactly a HOcane or sweet16 . If you dont think ur plane can fight then ditch it and find one that can

If you're flying a 109 and you can't beat a 190 you're not flying it right.

a 190 is almost always an easy kill for the 109 pilot worth his salt.

If they're that fast that you can't get anywhere near a shot on them... they're easy to evade and you can use the reset time either sucker them down or climb up to them. If they're not fast enough for that, they're dead, if you're any good.

I fly 109's most of the time too but I'll take a Dora out when I feel like it, it's a nice aircraft. I'll fight to the bone in it too but I won't fly it like a spit.

In my opinion the Dora's flight characterics are porked in AH so it's almost pointless trying to do anything other than stay fast in it. It takes real dedication to get anywhere in the Dora in a dog-fighting (not kill numbers) sense.

[Bubbajj]

I suppose this is a bit of a highjack but while were on the subject of Doras and 190s in general, weren't they supposed to be the uber german fighters? Everything I've ever seen seems to indicate that they were superior to the 109s and more than a match for anything the allies could field. Is Xasthur right and they are just nerfed into uselessness? I haven't really been into air history for a while but when I was more attentive, it seems everything I can remember about the 190s is that they were the end all/be all.

[quintisv]

u guys all keep admitting as much that D-9 Cant really get down and dirty so u gotta pick and run and noob and zoom  if flying German is ur thing take up a 109    

D-9 Pilots convention

[Xasthur]

Originally posted by Bubbajj
I suppose this is a bit of a highjack but while were on the subject of Doras and 190s in general, weren't they supposed to be the uber german fighters? Everything I've ever seen seems to indicate that they were superior to the 109s and more than a match for anything the allies could field. Is Xasthur right and they are just nerfed into uselessness? I haven't really been into air history for a while but when I was more attentive, it seems everything I can remember about the 190s is that they were the end all/be all.

109s are more fun to fly in this game.

If it came to a real war and the aircraft were modelled here 100% accurately I'd take the 190 D9 without a second thought.

It's an aircraft more likely to bring you home.

It just turns like a bomber and in-game I feel its 20mm cannons are under-modelled to say the least. This makes it no fun to fly in the MA, because you can't get down and dirty if you want like you can in the 109.


I do also feel that the 190s are hampered by overly severe stall buffeting and snap-rolling. Someone posted a Youtube film about Tempests showing 190As doing things that ours couldn't do.

I think the model is ultimately on the right track... just a bit severe in its downfalls, that's all.

[crockett]

Originally posted by quintisv
u guys all keep admitting as much that D-9 Cant really get down and dirty so u gotta pick and run and noob and zoom  if flying German is ur thing take up a 109    

D-9 Pilots convention

Again.. what nobel plane is it that you fly so greatly?

[moot]

What's your in-game handle quintisv?

[evenhaim]

Originally posted by Xasthur
109s are more fun to fly in this game.

If it came to a real war and the aircraft were modelled here 100% accurately I'd take the 190 D9 without a second thought.

It's an aircraft more likely to bring you home.

It just turns like a bomber and in-game I feel its 20mm cannons are under-modelled to say the least. This makes it no fun to fly in the MA, because you can't get down and dirty if you want like you can in the 109.


I do also feel that the 190s are hampered by overly severe stall buffeting and snap-rolling. Someone posted a Youtube film about Tempests showing 190As doing things that ours couldn't do.

I think the model is ultimately on the right track... just a bit severe in its downfalls, that's all.

100% agreed Xasthur,

my main ride this tour has been the d9 and shes a helluva beast, you just gotta fly with some intellegence, thinking 1 step ahead at all times, forsee where your oppenent will end up for a quick snapshot. I would never run from a 1 on 1 as i see this as being pointless.

but as xasthur stated if i want to really turn and burn down in the muck ill take a 109 any day, g14 for snapshots f4 and g2 for furballs

[WWM]

All depends on how a player gets his kicks out of the game.  I tried the B&Z perch thing and it wasn't for me at this time.   I like stall/turn fighting.   Reason guys get down on the B&Z is cause they are like gnats in your face when you're trying to work but yet turn fighters never disrupt  the B&Z guys. Knifefighting angles is my fun.   If I wanted a high K/D and good score I would absolutly learn to perch.

[moot]

There's no gnats or dweebier tactics.  Their only real measure is who's dead in the end, and how much peril the survivor put himself up against.

Anyone who says 190s can't get in the mix of a furball just hasn't been around long enough to see the better 190 sticks at it.  Someone pushing that spiel likely doesn't understand what the 190 was designed for either, as said in the previous posts.  It's taking things completely out of context.. These planes were made in and for WWII, not by HTC and for AH.

[Charge]

Well he certainly got some attention he was craving...

IIRC there was a player with similar handle playing WW2OL and the style is certaily the same as on those boards.

-C+

PS. "We pull the stick, and voila, the plane's inherently better turning than the other guy's plane.. so we tend to think "we're turnfighting!" - except we actually don't know what the hell's going on. We just pull the stick, and let nature take its course."  

[Saurdaukar]

Originally posted by Citabria

Stealth attacks are the most difficult to execute in aces high however due to having in flight awacs radar dots, darbar, instant check sixes, vox and if thats not bad enough your engine noise can give you away to the dweebiest of pilots when you get in guns range even if they do not see you with their mkII eyeballs.

<-- Laughed.

Agree.  Motion to reduce icon visibility to 2-3K.

[BaldEagl]

Originally posted by moot
Anyone who says 190s can't get in the mix of a furball just hasn't been around long enough to see the better 190 sticks at it.  

Agreed.  190's are great fun in a furball or any multi vs multi plane engagement for that matter.

[WWM]

Originally posted by moot

Anyone who says 190s can't get in the mix of a furball just hasn't been around long enough to see the better 190 sticks at it.  

I know there are a few.  I fought Urchin in one, me in yak9u,  and had to slap myself to make sure I was awake.....yes he killed me:D