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« Reply #45 on: February 01, 2008, 07:26:30 PM »
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without the cuts the 9-11 attack might have been stopped.
It's statements like these that reassure me that people who get too one-sided for either political party end up getting completely lost in their own BS!:rolleyes:
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« Reply #46 on: February 01, 2008, 07:27:45 PM »
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Well, I'll tell you...  I voted for him as well as A LOT of my friends at the time.  If he hadn't been there I, as well as many people that I know, definately would have voted for Bush. There is already talk of Huckabee intentionally sticking in the race (even though he doesn't have a snowball's chance) just to draw vote away from Romney so that johnny mcclain will get the nomination.  Johnny has probably offered him a juicy cabinet position to stick around...
I find it hard to believe that any republican would want Romney the moron in the white house!
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« Reply #47 on: February 01, 2008, 07:31:20 PM »
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I find it hard to believe that any republican would want Romney the moron in the white house!


I should rather vote for mccain?  I would love to have the ability to vote for Ron Paul in a general election.  That is a pipe dream at best.  The next best man for the job is Mitt.
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« Reply #48 on: February 01, 2008, 07:42:04 PM »
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Well, I'll tell you...  I voted for him as well as A LOT of my friends at the time.


I voted for him.
Had I not I would have had to do as I did the following election.
Abstained out of disgust

I'll probably vote for RP this time. because if I dont I may end up doing the same thing.

I'd vote for a democrate or Rep ifthey put someone up worth voting for.
from what I can see. Neither is

So my vote steals a potential vote from either side.
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« Reply #49 on: February 01, 2008, 10:38:02 PM »
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I have two words for any conservative minded person who might be considering voting for a third party or even writing in their favorite candidate.
ross perot


In retrospect, you think we'd be better off now had Ross Perot won?
He spoke of putting the best people in the top positions. He also spoke of a big sucking sound of companies moving south because of NAFTA.

Would we have had better people in key intelligence positions as well?
Would 9/11 have happened?
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« Reply #50 on: February 01, 2008, 10:40:42 PM »
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I should rather vote for mccain?  I would love to have the ability to vote for Ron Paul in a general election.  That is a pipe dream at best.  The next best man for the job is Mitt.
It sucks when every candidate on both sides just does not add up to a worthy vote!
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« Reply #51 on: February 01, 2008, 11:24:27 PM »
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In retrospect, you think we'd be better off now had Ross Perot won?
He spoke of putting the best people in the top positions. He also spoke of a big sucking sound of companies moving south because of NAFTA.

Would we have had better people in key intelligence positions as well?
Would 9/11 have happened?

I do believe we would have been better of with perot but he didn't win.  Instead he sucked enough votes from bush for clinton to win.
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« Reply #52 on: February 02, 2008, 02:04:50 AM »
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I don't mean to get on anyone's bandwagon, but Ron Paul does "health care reform, fiscal responsibility, social assistance when needed, basing the effort against terrorists on reality" better than any Democrat.

And McCain ought to be disqualified on the spot for wanting amnesty for illegals, rather than kicking those freeloaders out, and letting proper immigrants in.


Ron who?? :huh
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« Reply #53 on: February 02, 2008, 02:48:09 AM »
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I do believe we would have been better of with perot but he didn't win.  Instead he sucked enough votes from bush for clinton to win.


And yet here we are today with most still voting for the less of two evils instead of the best candidate. We reap what we sow, we get what we deserve.
I'm voting my conscience, results be damned. Someday maybe we end up electing the best one through hope rather than the better of two evils due to fear.
Wasted vote? I think not.
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« Reply #54 on: February 02, 2008, 09:41:08 AM »
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And yet here we are today with most still voting for the less of two evils instead of the best candidate. We reap what we sow, we get what we deserve.
I'm voting my conscience, results be damned. Someday maybe we end up electing the best one through hope rather than the better of two evils due to fear.
Wasted vote? I think not.
You would vote your conscience and write in a candidate even if you knew that your guy had no chance of winning and the fact that if enough people did as you did all that would be accomplished would be that enough votes would be sucked from the lesser of two evils so that the greater of two evils wins the election?

What we need is a strong, viable third party.  As long as this is a two ring circus the only thing write-in candidates will do is screw up the consensus of the people.
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« Reply #55 on: February 02, 2008, 09:58:23 AM »
You've got it backwards.  The better parties/candidates aren't getting in because people aren't voting for them.  It's because of lesser-of-two-evils voting patterns that "evils" get in.
Consistently favoring worse traits rather than better traits - no matter if it's the better of the worse traits that you favor - will consistently make things worse, not better.

Nothing should come before what's right and true... Complacency is no excuse.
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« Reply #56 on: February 02, 2008, 10:06:20 AM »
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As long as this is a two ring circus the only thing write-in candidates will do is screw up the consensus of the people.


Then it's not really the consensus of the people, is it? The parties both count on at the very least lesser of two evil voting. The way they have branded and platformed the party planks, they know they can count on your fears to support a candidate they like but that might be marginal in regards to what you like. Want reform in Washington -- don't expect to get it from any mainstream candidate. That's not why they were picked and promoted at the exclusion of better men and women.

The only way to get a viable third party, or to force change and reform in the existing parties is to have the courage of conviction and not play the game they expect you to play.


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« Reply #57 on: February 02, 2008, 10:06:58 AM »
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You've got it backwards.  The better parties/candidates aren't getting in because people aren't voting for them.  It's because of lesser-of-two-evils voting patterns that "evils" get in.
Consistently favoring worse traits rather than better traits - no matter if it's the better of the worse traits that you favor - will consistently make things worse, not better.
 If more Americans were thinking people I'd agree with you.  Unfortunately most Americans will vote for the person with the shinyest commercials and the person who promises them more "stuff."  In this climate the person most qualified for the job but without the big party backing will only accomplish pulling enough concience votes to allow the person least qualified to win.  We are witnessing this very thing in the repub primaries right now with Ron Paul drawing just enough attention away from Romney to allow mccain to win.  In the general election, if enough people write in Paul, he could draw enough votes away from the repub nom to allow the dem nom to win, just like in 1992.
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« Reply #58 on: February 02, 2008, 10:15:42 AM »
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« Reply #59 on: February 02, 2008, 10:26:00 AM »
That ain't right Sluggish... Look at how far voting for the lesser of two evils has lead.
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