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Offline Rich46yo

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« Reply #45 on: February 09, 2008, 08:39:08 PM »
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Everyone who goes there is guilty of going there. Asking for trouble basically.


                           Yeah, especially those that have to choose between unemployment and going to Saudi Arabia.:rolleyes:
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« Reply #46 on: February 09, 2008, 09:19:16 PM »
Rich, I'm not saying that their treatment of women is acceptable or excusable in any way, shape, or form. I am saying that if she already lived there for 8 years, she is already very aware that nobody values her life in that place (or the life of any woman)... and it's not at all wise for her to believe that she'd be treated well only because she's not one of their own "born & raised" gals.

It's not anywhere close to comparing a rape victim to her.  As harsh as it sounds, she did indeed place herself in a position which opens the door for personal abuse. I'm just amazed it took 8 years.
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« Reply #47 on: February 09, 2008, 11:05:28 PM »
It's kind of like a woman deciding to go work for a Brothel, and becoming offended because someone offered her money for sex...

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« Reply #48 on: February 10, 2008, 03:47:21 AM »
Did you read the link I posted about Dubai customs putting a british man to jail for 4 years? For stepping on a microscopical trace of marihuana which they found in the bottom of his shoe?

Basically if someone was smoking a joint in the airport toilet and droped a bit (so small you can't see it) on the floor and this guy visited that toilet and got the piece stuck to his shoe..

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« Reply #49 on: February 10, 2008, 04:58:37 AM »
Mom, this is the same forum that blew off the rape and detainment of an american woman by KBR employees.
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« Reply #50 on: February 10, 2008, 06:29:39 AM »
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Rich, I'm not saying that their treatment of women is acceptable or excusable in any way, shape, or form. I am saying that if she already lived there for 8 years, she is already very aware that nobody values her life in that place (or the life of any woman)... and it's not at all wise for her to believe that she'd be treated well only because she's not one of their own "born & raised" gals.

It's not anywhere close to comparing a rape victim to her.  As harsh as it sounds, she did indeed place herself in a position which opens the door for personal abuse. I'm just amazed it took 8 years.


                      Mom Im not all that surprised by some of the answers by the young guys here. Until age gives them some wisdom they will continue to be influenced by the cultural and media mindscrew that woman are h'oes, sexual objects, and always "ask for" the trouble they find. Also they have been dehumanized by the nonstop media violence they are bombarded with.

                    But some of the answers coming from you? You should know better!

                    For 8 years she probably sat in the same coffee shop with men, "oh the horror", and observed others doing the same. Your making assumptions on her state of mind at the time even tho you have no facts on hand. Were not talking about a woman that keeps going back to the same man who has beat her in the past ; Were talking about a woman who wants to drink coffee in a coffee shop. Did it ever occur to you that she is not wrong at all and that the Saudis are simply a barbaric people?

                  A Saudi "born and raised girl" is simply a possession. An object! A prized piece of livestock that daddy will trade for the right $$ amount or to increase his tribal standing. Or the horror that this western woman should think she was ever different.

                And a good thing for her she didn't have a crucifix showing or she would have really gotten a beating and a long jail sentence. Practicing other religions isn't allowed in Saudi Arabia. Just imagine if we beat and jailed people for practicing Islam here? We'd run out of ATA missiles in a week shooting down demented rag head terrorists aiming 747s at out buildings.

"""It's not anywhere close to comparing a rape victim to her.  As harsh as it sounds, she did indeed place herself in a position which opens the door for personal abuse. I'm just amazed it took 8 years.""""

               This statement contradicts itself. And frankly sounds as insensitive as some of the comments by the guys here. I guess if it was your daughter you would feel different about it.
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« Reply #51 on: February 10, 2008, 07:03:24 AM »
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Not really. Rosa Parks & Martin Luther King were battling against injustices within their own country.  Could they have been free to move to Liberia? Sure.   Is it a good comparison? No.

This gal is there for 8 years, working of her own free will in another country. Eight years is long enough to see how they operate, know their laws & choose whether or not she wants to live like a barbarian.  Choice was obviously yes, otherwise she would have left before 8 years time.

"Like we do for them?"  You mean, in the way she abided by their law of separate seating?

No, for her I don't feel badly at all.


Your comments here are absolutely ridiculous.  What difference does it make that the woman is an American woman or a Saudi national?   They are both still a woman, aren't they?   They are both still human beings.   Are you saying that people in general all over the world don't deserve to have basic human rights and dignity?  

Or do you think that such basic rights only belong to those living in more affluent and industrialized nations?

What about all of the Saudi women who cannot leave?   What about all of the thousands of destitute women from Asia that the Saudis have imported to do domestic work there?   They have only come to work in Saudi Arabia because they cannot find any work in their depressed Asian countries like the Philippines.

I cannot believe that any woman would make such a highly insensitive comment on such a subject about the mistreatment of another woman.

It is too bad that you yourself could not live a few years in a fundamentalist Islamic state.   Or even just in a third world poverty stricken nation.  Perhaps then you would feel more compassion for women being abused in such nations.

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« Reply #52 on: February 10, 2008, 07:16:00 AM »
I think you're being a little harsh, I can see TxMom's point. It may well be so that she has enjoyed coffee with her colleagues at the coffee shop that way for years, but the fact still remains she probably did so knowing she was breaking the law. While I agree the treatment was harsh and unjust and the law is draconian, the woman is still subject to the same laws as everyone else.
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« Reply #53 on: February 10, 2008, 07:45:15 AM »
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I think you're being a little harsh, I can see TxMom's point. It may well be so that she has enjoyed coffee with her colleagues at the coffee shop that way for years, but the fact still remains she probably did so knowing she was breaking the law. While I agree the treatment was harsh and unjust and the law is draconian, the woman is still subject to the same laws as everyone else.


Well, but Islam was founded way back in the 7th Century.  The rest of the world has evolved another 14 centuries.  Women, even in the most modern nations, have not had voting rights yet for an entire century at this point.   And women have become leaders of even democratic nations only very recently, in terms of historical perspective.

This whole issue to me is one of the things that upsets me the most about Bush's fiasco in Iraq.   Not only has this war wasted countless lives and bankrupt our government, and now driven our economy into a deep recession, but it has made the lives of Iraqi women far worse.

Under Saddam, Iraq had a completely secular government, where women enjoyed many of the same rights as women in many western nations.  Now they are facing the prospect of their rights being lowered down to the level that women have in many other Muslim nations.

Just look at the reports out of Basra this past week, of women being beaten and murdered for doing things like wearing lipstick, wearing eye makeup, and not wearing a scarf to cover their hair.  Signs are being put up all over the city by Islamic vigilantes, warning women to obey Sharia law or face the consequences.

The exact same thing will happen once we start turning areas over to Iraqi control.  

If I was a woman living in Iraq, I would curse America every day of my life.

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« Reply #54 on: February 10, 2008, 08:51:14 AM »
Yeah, you're right. My comments about her are pretty insensistive to her plight.  Doesn't make them any less true though.
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« Reply #55 on: February 10, 2008, 09:10:02 AM »
I see texasmoms point too.   She is in another country.   It is a barbaric one with a barbaric religion but that is the reality of it.   We should ban all travel to said countries with their 9th century religion if we don't want to live like the savages do.

If they do it here we put em in prison.   they have to obey our laws not some religion stuck in the ninth century.

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« Reply #56 on: February 10, 2008, 10:08:39 AM »
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You should still show respect for the laws of the host country (regardless of how idiotic they are).  


No we should not...we should support any "woman's movement" in any islamic facist nation.
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