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« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2008, 02:06:45 PM »
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The problem with both sides is all they are interested in doing is in seeing their "team" get into power as opposed to what really is fair and good for the country. And because ech side is so determined to get their "team" into power neither side is very willing ot work with the other for the common good. As a result it typically takes forever to accomplish anything.

 


Pretty much the root of the problem.. That and by the time they do make it into office, they owe so many "favors" it's sickening.

Hence the reason I've felt part of the solution is term limits on "all" political offices and no campaign contributions from big business or special interest.
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« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2008, 02:12:34 PM »
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If Joe didn't have time to hit 3 little buttons and dial 911 I doubt Joe would have had time to grab a gun from who knows where.. :rolleyes:


I'm still trying to figure out where Joe could live that has a subway that's worth taking, but country farm land in driving distance.

..but just for fun, if I kick in your door and pull a gun on you, and you call 911... what exactly is going to happen first? I find you and shoot you, or the cops drop the donuts and get there in a hurry? I wouldn't put money in the police cruiser being faster than my trigger pulls. Police don't prevent crime, they respond to it.

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« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2008, 02:20:24 PM »
If you dial 911 the cops will be able to chalk your outline on the blood soaked carpet that much sooner.  

I think that dred is having problems sepperating what sounds good from reality... I just need you dred to define what "is good for the country" means to you.

I would also love to hear your defenition of "the common good"..   both of those expressions have been used to death by totalitarian governments in the past.

They are pretty much meaningless...  Like an osamabama speech..  unless you define what you mean by them.

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« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2008, 03:16:48 PM »
Lazs, during your lifetime, has the federal government made any laws you support?

That is, if you had been there, you would have voted for them?

My own notions run along the lines of "if the states can handle things, then Feds need not."
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« Reply #34 on: February 08, 2008, 04:29:16 PM »
lazs-ee BS fixes:

Paragraph One: The mandating of insurance is a state matter, not a federal matter. And not one that is particularly democratic either. In fact, a true fiscal conservative would be pushing for more private insurance standards, a democrat potentially for less because a democrat would be pushing for tort reform.

Paragraph Two: It's not really worth bothering with the xenophobia, but illegal immigrants vs. US citizens crime rate is something you ought study before opening your trap.

Paragraph Three: All immigrants are felons + a stupid straw man argument that stricter gun control regulations means more crime, something that has been disproven again and again, statistically. And how many people do you know (not counting the wingnuts here on AH) that have concealed weapon permits and actually walk around with a gun?

Paragraph Four: lazs paranoia of some sort, as the national radio waves are dominated by conservative wingnuts and race-baiters like Mike Savage.

Paragraph Five: lazs in his usual way conflates a corporate issue with a government one. To lazs, women are to be fondled and whistles at work.



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Joe goes out to his 10 year old car that cost more because it is loaded with insurance company and democrat mandated extras like 5 mph bumpers and $2000 worth of extra smog controls to get the last part per million of pollution out.. about the same as spilling a drop of gas when filling his useless (due to safety gimicks) lawnmower.

Joe notices the window is shattered and the dash ripped out because some section 8 illegal that the democrats moved into his neigborhood has stolen his radio and done $1500 damage to the car for the $20 he will get from the felon who was released on parole after serving 1 year of a 20 year sentance.

Said felon then sticks a knife in joes face and demands all joes money... He knows joe is unarmed and helpless because the law that the democrats passed to make him safe has disarmed him.. he knows that if he had brought his gun and used it.. he would spend far more time in prison than the rapist next door.

joe hands over his money but the thug beats him to the ground for chuckles anyway..  joe is not too upset because he is a taxpayer so has very little money anyway.. he is not upset about the car because it is union made and rarely starts anyway.

He get's a ride from a friend who has an old car and they turn on the radio to listen to a talk show only to find that it will soon be going off the air because of some "fairness doctrine" or some such..

Joe gets to work only to find that he has to go to re-education camp.. he is accused of a grade one sexual harrassment charge.. only minor this time.. he smiled in an odd way and made a comrade uncomfortable.   he will be re educated.

After work joe gets a ride home in his buddies old hot rod.. it may not be as safe but it is far from boring and.. it runs.. and.. the guy has never had a $500 bill for fixing a window or a sensor.. or some trim.. or a scratch..  joe has this happen almost monthly.. or he just drives around with no power windows or the check engine light on till he has to smog the piece of crap again.

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« Reply #35 on: February 08, 2008, 04:56:35 PM »
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If Joe didn't waste his time to hit 3 little buttons and dial 911 I doubt Joe would have missed the burglar with the gun he keeps at arm's reach.. :rolleyes:

TFTFY

In fact read any post by Maverick or other cops, they'll tell you themselves that the police don't get there in time unless the assault is protracted, somehow.  Nevermind out in the boonies.
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« Reply #36 on: February 08, 2008, 05:37:10 PM »
You live in France right Moot?

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« Reply #37 on: February 08, 2008, 05:48:10 PM »
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Did anybody else wonder why Joe walked to the subway, yet drove home?


No ,perhaps because I've read the whole text ?

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« Reply #38 on: February 08, 2008, 06:36:23 PM »
Dos Equis, perhaps you might care to read the facts:

Revisit of "Dos Equis BS fixes"

Paragraph One: The mandating of insurance has long been a state matter, but the federal government has passed a couple of federal mandates regarding health insurance.  Also, the current Presidential Candidate Hillary Clinton is frequently bashing Obama for not supporting a federal mandate that all citizens must buy health care.  By some estimates this will drive up costs to taxpayers by as much as 30 - 40% in premium rises to  cover all those who will require subsidies.

Paragraph Two: No where did Lazs say that illegal's committed more crime than US citizens, it is widely known to be proportional.  Currently of the FBI's 10 most wanted, three are foreigners.  Only two actually set foot in the US during their crimes.  Take Osama out, and that is two of nine or 23%.  There are roughly 10 million illegals in the US and roughly 350 million citizens roughly a 3.5% ratio of illegals to legals.  Statistically illegals commit the vast majority of crimes here, not to mention the very fact that 100% of them are criminals as they are here ILLEGALLY.

Paragraph Three: In both England and Australia the violent crime rates have risen dramatically since the introduction of weapons bans.  In Orange County, CA, crime actually went down after concealed weapons permits were allowed.
Of the roughly 100 million gun owners in the US, the NRA estimates that 30% have concealed carry permits in states where it is required.

Paragraph Four: In actuality legislation is being considered to force radio stations to give opposing view points the same amount of radio time as they do a specific view point.  This is overwhelmingly opposed broadcasters realize that this is mainly pointed towards supporting liberal radio against conservative radio.  They (the broadcasters) do not want to subsidize something that already failed, ie. Air America.

Paragraph Five: Federal Regulations regarding harassment in the work place have grown significantly in the last 30 years.  Some deserved and some not.  Statistically the overwhelming majority of complaints are regarding racial discrimination at the work place and issues of placement to meet race quotas.  Women are not toys, and are indeed equal citizens.  Your assumption regarding another's view point is a harassment in and of itself, especially if the assumption is incorrect.


Try to bash others less and open your eyes, you might just learn something.



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lazs-ee BS fixes:

Paragraph One: The mandating of insurance is a state matter, not a federal matter. And not one that is particularly democratic either. In fact, a true fiscal conservative would be pushing for more private insurance standards, a democrat potentially for less because a democrat would be pushing for tort reform.

Paragraph Two: It's not really worth bothering with the xenophobia, but illegal immigrants vs. US citizens crime rate is something you ought study before opening your trap.

Paragraph Three: All immigrants are felons + a stupid straw man argument that stricter gun control regulations means more crime, something that has been disproven again and again, statistically. And how many people do you know (not counting the wingnuts here on AH) that have concealed weapon permits and actually walk around with a gun?

Paragraph Four: lazs paranoia of some sort, as the national radio waves are dominated by conservative wingnuts and race-baiters like Mike Savage.

Paragraph Five: lazs in his usual way conflates a corporate issue with a government one. To lazs, women are to be fondled and whistles at work.
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« Reply #39 on: February 08, 2008, 06:37:17 PM »
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TFTFY

In fact read any post by Maverick or other cops, they'll tell you themselves that the police don't get there in time unless the assault is protracted, somehow.  Nevermind out in the boonies.


That's not really the point.. If you live your life in so much fear that you think you have to have a gun in arms reach all the time..Well I honestly pitty you.

If you get up out of bed to go to the crapper do you pick up your gun and carry it with you?  

If you get up in the middle of the night, to grab a drink do you carry your gun to the fridge?

When you take the trash out do you carry a gun?

The extreme guns rights people like larz and some of the others on this forum, always come up with these "once in a million years" types things to support their claims of carrying guns are the answer to everything.


I edited to make it more realistic for the O club.. :lol  :lol

Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee while carrying his Benelli M4 Assault Shotgun. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal whom likely hates guns fought for minimum water-quality standards. Meanwhile Joe wonders where he put his Glock pistol..

With his first swallow of coffee, he takes his daily medication with his H&k USP Tactical .45 pistol sitting on the kitchen table and the Benelli placed carefully on the counter top. His medications are safe to take because some stupid gun hatting commie liberal fought to insure their safety and that they work as advertised.

All but $10 of Joe's medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too, but he hates the fact he can't carry his HK 45 to his doctor appointments. He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some non gun carrying girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo but makes sure his Benelli is sitting on top of the toilet within arms reach and the HK 45 sitting on the toilet lid. Joe still wonders where he left his Glock. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal whom likely doesn't own a gun, fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.

Joe dresses wearing a bulletproof vest with his HK compact with extra clips in his shoulder holster, he walks outside and takes a deep breath slightly insecure wondering where the evil bad guys are. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air. He knows guns are likely the next target on their socialist agenda. Joe looks over and sees his Glock sitting on the hood of his car. Joe's mind flashes back to last night while carrying out the trash, it was just far too hard to hard to carry the Glock, the Benelli and the trash can. Joe is happy again but thinks he should likely buy a belt holster for the Glock.

He walks to the subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work carrying his HK 45in his shoulder holster and his Glock in his ankle holster. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees and gives him a chance to maybe someday be like Dirty Hairy, all because some fancy-pants gun hating liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

Joe begins his work day mad because if he got caught with his guns, his boss would likely fire him. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe thinks too bad he doesn't work at the NRA.

Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union. If Joe shoots himself in the foot or is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal whom hates guns didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

Its noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so the can pay some bills. Joe's is pissed off because he can't carry his guns in the bank, but at least his deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some godless never owned a gun liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who likely owned guns ruined the banking system before the GreatDepression.

Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some elitist couldn't hit a target liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime. This also allows Joe to buy lots of guns.

After work this evening, Joe plans to visit his father at his farm and shoot some turkey at his home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive with his HK 45 in the glove compartment and the Glock 9mm stuffed in the center console. His car is among the safest in the world not because he has two pistols but because some America-hating liberal with no guns fought for car safety standards. Joe thinks they should have added shot gun racks in the rear window.

He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have electricity until some big-government liberal with no guns stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification allowing Joe to pack shotgun shells all night as a young boy.

Joe is happy to see his father whom is carrying a real M1 Grand from ww2, he is now retired and lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating French loving liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to. Joe is glad to see his dad can still protect himself from the evil Feds.

Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that gun hating socialist liberals are bad and good ole gun loving conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day except for his gun rights.

Joe agrees: "We don't need those big-government anti gun liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man and own guns who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have."
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« Reply #40 on: February 08, 2008, 06:41:32 PM »
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Joe now prays five times a day while facing Mecca. His wife is wrapped in a Burka and his Daughters are no longer alive. See Joe had to Honor kill them at the local soccor field where games are no longer played because his Daughters were caught dancing. Joes only Son is learning to fly aircraft now. Thank Allah that the liberals found Peace with the Islamic Jihadist.
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« Reply #41 on: February 08, 2008, 09:58:29 PM »
Mac and Lazs have me in stitches! :rofl :rofl :rofl

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« Reply #42 on: February 08, 2008, 11:15:44 PM »
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That's not really the point.. If you live your life in so much fear that you think you have to have a gun in arms reach all the time..Well I honestly pitty you.

Why do you need fear to have a gun?  Why do you need to be afraid if you're living in a dangerous place?  Were you afraid after 9/11?  Most people I talked to agreed that if it happened to one of their flights, it just would, and there was no sense nor anything to gain from being afraid for something that was anywhere in the future or even nowhere in it.
You just sound like you're afraid of death and guns yourself and can't imagine someone being otherwise. Like you can't imagine someone in their right mind would make a calm and collected choice to account for an event which you suppose MUST make them quake their boots in dread.
Do you pee your pants in fear everytime you buckle up your seatbelt?  Everytime you travel on an airplane?  Or do you not ever buckle up because of the negligible odds, or smoke cigarettes near gas pumps because "you know better" and "it won't happen"? Do you think it's a pitiful state of things to have to bring yourself to make preparations such as learning the tools of your trade so that you can make a career of it rather than be jobless and possibly die of starvation?  The analogy here is that you see a statisticaly small but nonetheless possible outcome which you'd rather avoid and take the right preparations to succesfuly fend it off.  That possible outcome is out there and will happen if you don't take those precautions...  There's nothing extreme about this point of view, anymore than there's anything strange about getting a kick out of plinking cans or tin targets, or having a passion for the craftsmanship of guns and shooting.
That this one passion (or just hobby) happens to also give you a huge (in my opinion) boost in safety for negligible risk in return (mishandling your gun or being careless enough to leave it within kids' reach for example) is nothing extreme.  Except for the extreme good odds you'd have stacked on your side if you made the best of it.

Self defense martial arts students aren't psychos either.  Or are they, by your perspective?

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If you get up out of bed to go to the crapper do you pick up your gun and carry it with you?  

No.  But then you don't specify any conditions which would affect this decision, which goes to show you aren't after a fair and balanced assessment of whether carrying is or isn't a good thing.

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If you get up in the middle of the night, to grab a drink do you carry your gun to the fridge?

Same answer to this one.  You're just repeating it as though the repetition would improve your argument's chances.

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When you take the trash out do you carry a gun?

Same answer.  

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The extreme guns rights people like larz and some of the others on this forum, always come up with these "once in a million years" types things to support their claims of carrying guns are the answer to everything.

You're pretty far out left yourself... You sound like all those activist guys I've met, not just political but also apolitical stuff like chastity clubs and the like.  Not impartial at all and very happy to ridicule "the other side" without even understanding their point of view.. in fact sometimes never understanding it and often prefering not to.
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« Reply #43 on: February 09, 2008, 12:12:53 AM »
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Dos Equis, perhaps you might care to read the facts:

Australia the violent crime rates have risen dramatically since the introduction of weapons bans.


That is factually incorrect

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« Reply #44 on: February 09, 2008, 01:55:33 AM »
Once shot by thugs in a house invasion, Joe`s body will be easily identified due to the tracking device implant that was required by a government  "who knew what was best for him".
It will not be recorded as Joe`s death, but will be placed on record as #OU812.
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