Master Fix-It list for the Bf 109

[Anaxogoras]

Let's condense all of these 109 issues into a single thread:

109G-2
1. 140 rpg capacity for the gondolas.

109G-6 should have an option for:
1. Mk 108.  According Prien & Rodeike this was common.
2. Gm-1 boost for high altitudes.  This was also common.
3. 200 rpg capacity for the spinner MG151.
4. 140 rpg capacity for the gondolas.

I'm willing to forgo MW50 because that would be equivalent to a G-14.

109G-14
1. 200 rpg capacity for the spinner MG151.
2. 140 rpg capacity for the gondolas.
3. ~1000 G-14/AS variants were produced.  That's far more than many other aircraft that are included in the AH planeset.

109G-10
Bring it back; the G-10 was not equivalent to the K-4.

Did I miss anything?  With these fixes the 109 will dominate the arenas and you won't see any more La-7s or Spitfire XVIs.

[Masherbrum]

So what yer trying to tell us is that you get shot down by La7's and Spixteens?

[Anaxogoras]

So what yer trying to tell us is that you get shot down by La7's and Spixteens?

That's a beautiful straw-man masherbrum, but let's keep this on topic.

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by Anaxogoras
With these fixes the 109 will dominate the arenas and you won't see any more La-7s or Spitfire XVIs.

How are all those gun packages going to prevent an La-7 or a Spit 16 from locking onto your 6 ?

[Anaxogoras]

Wow, I try to write something with content, and the only thing you two notice and misunderstand is the bad joke at the end.  The point was that the above fixes will be pleasing to 109 o'philes but have little impact on others (therefore no reason to object).

But shouldn't historical accuracy be enough?

[angelsandair]

Well it seems like a good idea, im not too good in 109s though, atleast the g-_s im okay at the k-4, kind of wierd. Guess im a better shot in the k-4

[hubsonfire]

I spoke with Pyro this afternoon, and the G6/G14 will both receive the 200 round loadouts, 140 round gondola loadouts, and the drag will be slightly reduced or else. If you need anything else, don't hesitate to ask.

[Anaxogoras]

The scary thing is that all of the negative reactions here are based on ideology instead of evidence.

It's as if when presented with compelling evidence that an aircraft should be like x instead of y, and x is a little better than y, the mob cries out "She's a witch!  Burn her!  She turned me into a newt!"

What passes for debate here is a circus.  I haven't seen one negative response that is based on counterexamples or contradicting historical data.

[Krusty]

You haven't seen one because you haven't searched for one.

It's old hat for many of us.


G6 has no 30mm because it's the early model (also note early style canopy and early style pilot armor). You say 1000 G14/as is more numerous than any other plane in the game and I just have no reply other than "read more." Then you say the G10 was not the K4, when HTC themselves have stated the G10 WAS based on K4 data, since the day it was introduced. In fact the plane was not removed, it was just renamed to the proper name. I believe the P-47D-40 was once named the P-47D-30. Doesn't mean they took the -30 out, just means they gave it the proper name for what it was.


Like I said, it's all been covered.


P.s. In another thread before you even posted Pyro said he's upping the ammo numbers. We've been asking for them for a while, and that's one improvement I will enjoy.

[Furball]

Originally posted by Anaxogoras
I'm willing to forgo MW50 because that would be equivalent to a G-14.
 

That's very generous of you, thank you oh mighty anaxwhateverthehellyournameis .

[Anaxogoras]

In another thread before you even posted Pyro said he's upping the ammo numbers.

You didn't take that as a snub?  The made it appear as if he's not serious.

As for the K4 vs the G-10, I don't give a hoot if they had the same performance in AH.  That's not what counts.  What counts is that the actual aircraft did not, nor did they have the same weapon load-outs.

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[The Fugitive]

Originally posted by Anaxogoras
...As for the K4 vs the G-10, I don't give a hoot if they had the same performance in AH.  That's not what counts.  What counts is that the actual aircraft did not, nor did they have the same weapon load-outs

I think what he is saying is that AH NEVER had a G-10. They had a miss named K-4 and fixed it by renaming it.

So seeing as we never had a G-10, they can't really bring it back can they:p

[Karnak]

The Bf109G-6 lacks all of the things you mentioned because it is an early 1943 Bf109G-6, which either lacked those things or only had them extremely rarely in the case of the 30mm gun.

And I'd tell the same thing to a person asking for 120 rounds per gun and +16lbs boost in the Spit Vb, so don't think I am one sided here.

What the Bf109 lineup needs is only a Bf109G-6/AS or Bf109G-14/AS.  Get that and it is done.  Canopy framing could be looked at too.

[Motherland]

Originally posted by Karnak
The Bf109G-6 lacks all of the things you mentioned because it is an early 1943 Bf109G-6, which either lacked those things or only had them extremely rarely in the case of the 30mm gun.

'Cept the 200 rd hub option.

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Motherland
'Cept the 200 rd hub option.

Right, but that is being fixed so it isn't really missing.