Author Topic: The Nedelin Castastrophe, and communist cover-up (Read 1685 times)

Suave · « **Reply #15 on:** February 13, 2008, 11:41:53 AM »

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Originally posted by Boroda

I don't see any reasons for releasing such "news" to public. I am all for controlled media, I have told many times why.

Well then I'll trust you'll be casting your vote for Putin's puppy.

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Thirteen journalists have been killed in contract-style murders since Russian President Vladimir Putin took office, according to reporting by the Committee to Protect Journalists. No one has been brought to justice in any of the slayings.

http://www.cpj.org/Briefings/2005/russia_murders/russia_murders.html

Well this story doesn't get any attention over here in the US either. I thought it was actually more than 13, but hey, who's counting.

Boroda · « **Reply #16 on:** February 13, 2008, 01:55:21 PM »

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Originally posted by Suave
Well then I'll trust you'll be casting your vote for Putin's puppy.

I'll skip this "elections". Voted for Commies for Parliament, but their leader who goes for president is just another stupid crook.

Don't make conclusions about things you don't have a slightest idea of.

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Originally posted by Suave
http://www.cpj.org/Briefings/2005/russia_murders/russia_murders.html

Well this story doesn't get any attention over here in the US either. I thought it was actually more than 13, but hey, who's counting.

Only 13?! If I was to decide - Most of them will be hanging on lamp posts.

"Kill a journalist, save common sence!"

lazs2 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 13, 2008, 02:32:12 PM »

boroda.. I believe that you have explained your reason for "controlled media"

I believe it goes along the lines of "free speech means no food" something along those lines.

Even after... especially after.. your explanation.. I don't get it.

lazs

moot · « **Reply #18 on:** February 13, 2008, 02:45:30 PM »

Maybe Russia needs its own planet, far far away..

Vulcan · « **Reply #19 on:** February 13, 2008, 03:14:18 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
boroda.. I believe that you have explained your reason for "controlled media"

I believe it goes along the lines of "free speech means no food" something along those lines.

Even after... especially after.. your explanation.. I don't get it.

lazs

It's simple lazs, when the USSR was at its height they supressed the media, so if there was a problem it wasn't reported, if it wasn't reported there was no problem. Simple soviet logic da?

Ripsnort · « **Reply #20 on:** February 13, 2008, 03:40:21 PM »

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Originally posted by Vulcan
It's simple lazs, when the USSR was at its height they supressed the media, so if there was a problem it wasn't reported, if it wasn't reported there was no problem. Simple soviet logic da?

Heh! I once knew a drunk that said he didn't have a drinking problem. "I get drunk, I fall down, no problem!"

Boroda · « **Reply #21 on:** February 13, 2008, 04:50:24 PM »

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Originally posted by Vulcan
It's simple lazs, when the USSR was at its height they supressed the media, so if there was a problem it wasn't reported, if it wasn't reported there was no problem. Simple soviet logic da?

One simple example: no terror acts media coverage -> no environment for spreading terror -> no terrorism.

There was no terrorism in USSR.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #22 on:** February 13, 2008, 05:02:24 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
One simple example: no terror acts media coverage -> no environment for spreading terror -> no terrorism.

There was no terrorism in USSR.

Ah, but there was!

john9001 · « **Reply #23 on:** February 13, 2008, 05:04:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
One simple example: no terror acts media coverage -> no environment for spreading terror -> no terrorism.

There was no terrorism in USSR.

yes, the gulags were really vacation resorts.

Vulcan · « **Reply #24 on:** February 13, 2008, 05:06:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
One simple example: no terror acts media coverage -> no environment for spreading terror -> no terrorism.

There was no terrorism in USSR.

Thats right, everyone was well behaved and never rebelled

Boroda · « **Reply #25 on:** February 13, 2008, 05:09:16 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
boroda.. I believe that you have explained your reason for "controlled media"

I believe it goes along the lines of "free speech means no food" something along those lines.

Even after... especially after.. your explanation.. I don't get it.

I explained one of the advantages above in my answer to Vulcan.

Look, any media in so-called "free world" is controlled by some political or financial group. It's better to have media controlled in some rational way then to turn it into an unorganized brainwashing tool for those who can afford mass-brainwashing. I mean - better for a society as one organism, a concept that you strongly oppose.

Now can anyone tell me what could change for better if Soviet TV showed Nedelin's death in every news program or if it reported anthrax accident in the 1970s?

Media's entertaining function is secondary, it is used only to attract attention to make brainwashing easier. Purposes of brainwashing in different societies are quite a different question. I hope that you admit being brainwashed all the time, just as i do.

I hope you understand what I mean. It should be at least interesting to listen to arguments from the other side, in your case - from a devoted totalitarianist.

Boroda · « **Reply #26 on:** February 13, 2008, 05:12:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Ah, but there was!

Now you have more people in jails per 100,000 of population then Stalin's USSR in it's worst years, your authorities admit torturing prisoners, so what?

Boroda · « **Reply #27 on:** February 13, 2008, 05:14:23 PM »

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Originally posted by john9001
yes, the gulags were really vacation resorts.

I can't see any connection between my post and your exhaust into a puddle. Can you please elaborate?...

Vulcan · « **Reply #28 on:** February 13, 2008, 05:21:29 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
I explained one of the advantages above in my answer to Vulcan.

Look, any media in so-called "free world" is controlled by some political or financial group. It's better to have media controlled in some rational way then to turn it into an unorganized brainwashing tool for those who can afford mass-brainwashing. I mean - better for a society as one organism, a concept that you strongly oppose.

Now can anyone tell me what could change for better if Soviet TV showed Nedelin's death in every news program or if it reported anthrax accident in the 1970s?

Media's entertaining function is secondary, it is used only to attract attention to make brainwashing easier. Purposes of brainwashing in different societies are quite a different question. I hope that you admit being brainwashed all the time, just as i do.

I hope you understand what I mean. It should be at least interesting to listen to arguments from the other side, in your case - from a devoted totalitarianist.

In the "free world" the media is controlled by diverse sources. Yes they are biased, but the key word here is diverse. We have a choice of what we listen too, who we listen too, and we get to hear both sides of the story. Whereas in the USSR the media was controlled by one source, so you only got what they wanted you to hear.

But hey, at the end of the day our system works because your system collapsed in on itself

sucks to be wrong huh boroda.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #29 on:** February 13, 2008, 05:24:17 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
Now you have more people in jails per 100,000 of population then Stalin's USSR in it's worst years, your authorities admit torturing prisoners, so what?

Source?

My source says 2 million jailed (NOT FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES LIKE STALIN) for a population of 300 million.

Nope. I think Uncle Joe has us beat there Boroda.

Peasant dead: 1930-37 11,000,000
Arrested in this period dying in camps later 3,500,000

Total 14,500,000

Of these:
Dead as a result of dekulakization 6,500,000
Dead in the Kazakh catastrophe 1,000,000
Dead in the 1932-33 famine: 7,000,000

Famine in Ukraine 5,000,000
Famine in the North Caucasus 1,000,000
Famine elsewhere 1,000,000

Look at the bright side, USSR beat USA in SOMETHING!