Author Topic: The Nedelin Castastrophe, and communist cover-up (Read 1693 times)

Vulcan · « **Reply #30 on:** February 13, 2008, 05:29:44 PM »

Comrade Ripsnort, I believe you are confused over official KGB Tourism data for sibera, those happy soviets went there of their own free will to experience the beautiful open plains and fresh air. They were not prisoners, there problem was the trains were so full of happy soviet tourists return tickets were hard to come by.

KgB · « **Reply #31 on:** February 13, 2008, 05:32:41 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
but you believe it tho right kgb?

You do believe that it was all hidden from you "for your own good" all these years right?

lazs

Yes sir i do.

C(Sea)Bass · « **Reply #32 on:** February 13, 2008, 05:34:18 PM »

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Originally posted by KgB
Yes sir i do.

If you believe that, I've got beach fron property to sell you in Montana

Boroda · « **Reply #33 on:** February 13, 2008, 05:49:26 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Source?

My source says 2 million jailed (NOT FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES LIKE STALIN) for a population of 300 million.

Nope. I think Uncle Joe has us beat there Boroda.

Peasant dead: 1930-37 11,000,000
Arrested in this period dying in camps later 3,500,000

Total 14,500,000

Of these:
Dead as a result of dekulakization 6,500,000
Dead in the Kazakh catastrophe 1,000,000
Dead in the 1932-33 famine: 7,000,000

Famine in Ukraine 5,000,000
Famine in the North Caucasus 1,000,000
Famine elsewhere 1,000,000

Look at the bright side, USSR beat USA in SOMETHING!

I wonder how anyone is still living here and who fought in a War.

Read Zemskov's works, I posted the numbers here several times.

Total number of prisoners in 1940 was a little over one million per 180 million population. People imprisoned for political crimes were a small minority.

In fact in 1999 "democratic" Russian Federation had more people in prisons and camps per 100,000 population then USSR did in 1940. And the US of A had even more. I hope you see why I prefer totalitarianism to Western-style "democracy" that we try to build now?...

C(Sea)Bass · « **Reply #34 on:** February 13, 2008, 05:52:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
Total number of prisoners in 1940 was a little over one million per 180 million population. People imprisoned for political crimes were a small minority.

That makes sense, because they were executed rather than jailed

Boroda · « **Reply #35 on:** February 13, 2008, 05:58:40 PM »

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Originally posted by C(Sea)Bass
If you believe that, I've got beach fron property to sell you in Montana

My dear not-so-distant (íåäàë¸êèé) friend, is it supposed to be a joke?

FrodeMk3 · « **Reply #36 on:** February 13, 2008, 06:02:49 PM »

ANYWAY...

The explosion at Nedelin was a test of a rocket about the same size as an American Saturn V, right?

I noticed' on the U-tube videos' provided, that instead of building the 1st stage with a fewer number of larger motors, like the Saturn V's 5 F-1 engines, They used thirty (30!) smaller ones. That made something that was already very complicated, even more so-and since all 4 test vehicles' didnt' make it (They all blew up in some way or another) I'd have to say that is why It's better to follow the K.I.S.S. method.

K.I.S.S. being Keep It Simple, Stupid.

Boroda · « **Reply #37 on:** February 13, 2008, 06:03:03 PM »

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Originally posted by C(Sea)Bass
That makes sense, because they were executed rather than jailed

Rip posted only a number of victims that he thinks were dead. Add "executed" according to your opinion and quote Solzhenitsyn plus 27 millions killed in a War and you'll have only me as a survivor here. Like Stalin, Molotov and Boroda.

Boroda · « **Reply #38 on:** February 13, 2008, 06:04:32 PM »

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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
ANYWAY...

The explosion at Nedelin was a test of a rocket about the same size as an American Saturn V, right?

I noticed' on the U-tube videos' provided, that instead of building the 1st stage with a fewer number of larger motors, like the Saturn V's 5 F-1 engines, They used thirty (30!) smaller ones. That made something that was already very complicated, even more so-and since all 4 test vehicles' didnt' make it (They all blew up in some way or another) I'd have to say that is why It's better to follow the K.I.S.S. method.

K.I.S.S. being Keep It Simple, Stupid.

Nedelin died in an explosion of an ICBM smaller then R-7, something like a Redstone or Atlas.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #39 on:** February 13, 2008, 06:15:03 PM »

Actually is was the R-16.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #40 on:** February 13, 2008, 06:16:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
Rip posted only a number of victims that he thinks were dead. Add "executed" according to your opinion and quote Solzhenitsyn plus 27 millions killed in a War and you'll have only me as a survivor here. Like Stalin, Molotov and Boroda.

Hey, I can pull the blinders off a horse, but I can't make them look. (Old Midwest saying about having your head in the sand)

Boroda · « **Reply #41 on:** February 13, 2008, 06:41:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Hey, I can pull the blinders off a horse, but I can't make them look. (Old Midwest saying about having your head in the sand)

Rip, you said obvious nonsense, even Solzhenitsyn (whom you probably quote) admitted that his numbers were just a figment of imagination.

Suave · « **Reply #42 on:** February 14, 2008, 07:55:47 AM »

Hehe, truth is borodas enemy. That's why he hate's journalists.

lazs2 · « **Reply #43 on:** February 14, 2008, 08:13:51 AM »

boroda.. about the numbers...

It begs the question...

If you (and KGB) believe that unpleasant information should be kept from you for your own good... Why do you believe them when they say there were no gulags and that America is much more a gulag than russia ever was?

Is it a given that if you support having things kept from you that you then believe everything they tell you?

So far as I can see.. the soviet union was a terrorist organization. I could not live there. I would be imprisoned and probly executed. I doubt they would like my political individualist stance. I doubt they would like me traveling and building hot rods and collecting and shooting firearms. I don't think they would allow me to speak freely.

Life would not be worth living except to try to figure out a way to get out of your country or destroy it from within.

lazs

KgB · « **Reply #44 on:** February 14, 2008, 07:32:14 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
boroda.. about the numbers...
It begs the question...
If you (and KGB) believe that unpleasant information should be kept from you for your own good... .

lazs

Your question was -"but you believe it tho right kgb?
You do believe that it was all hidden from you "for your own good" all these years right?"

i said -"yes sir i do"
Meaning that i do believe that it was hidden from us.Did i miss anything?

And for future reference.
I agree with you that Communism is bad,USSR is evil,God bless USA and blah-blah-blah,i already know it.
Keep me out of your arguments with Boroda plz.He likes it there in Russia,i don't.
Thanks.