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Offline Ripsnort

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« on: February 11, 2008, 03:15:54 PM »
Good lunch time reading. I'd heard of the catastrophe in early 1991, but never read the whole story. Roughly 120 died

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The bodies that could be identified numbered several dozen, including that of the officer whose poor judgement had caused the disaster. They were shipped home from the Soviet central Asia launch site for individual interment. Dozens more were burned beyond recognition in the horrible conflagration, and whatever remains could be found -- teeth, charred leather, shards of bone, keys and coins -- were swept up from the scorched concrete, placed in a single coffin, and lowered into a grave in a park in the rocket workers' city of Leninsk.

The families of these Soviet rocket workers were alone in their grief. Officials quickly announced that the commander had died in an airplane crash. As far as the rest of the world knew in that fall of 1960, the Soviets' efforts in space continued to move from one crowning success to another.

European journalists in Moscow soon picked up rumors that a gigantic rocket had exploded "in Siberia," killing hundreds, but those stories quickly took their place amid other oft-embellished legends of dead cosmonauts, super weapons, and similar folklore. U.S. intelligence officers had something more concrete: several blurred, spotty photographs of the site brought back by a Discoverer recoverable reconnaissance satellite. ('The scorched area was tremendous," one officer told me two decades later shaking his head.)

But at the time they were as quiet as the Soviets about their findings. Something horrible may indeed have happened, Western experts concluded, but there was no way to be sure what it was.

Time passed. The grave site in the Leninsk park was covered with a grassy mound 40 feet across and fenced in. Local officials erected a memorial obelisk, with 54 name-bearing plaques spaced along the four sides of its square perimeter. Friends, relatives, and co-workers at the Baikonur Cosmodrome launch complex kept the memorial decorated.

Other disasters occurred at the Cosmodrome from time to time, and new memorials were added to the park. One touching tribute was built in a corner of the spaceport's museum -- until recently kept secret from outsiders both Soviet and foreign -- where a scorched notebook found on an engineer's body was displayed behind glass. No label was necessary. Over the decades the local rocket workers, who knew the Cosmodrome's full history from first-hand accounts of survivors and family members, wore the wooden case smooth with their hands.

The recent opening up of the Cosmodrome to outsiders also opened up many of the workers' bitterness at the decades of official denial. "If you only knew of all the explosions and deaths," one museum official lamented to a visitor earlier this year, "you would be horrified at the size of the deceptions." Evidently much more is still held in secret Soviet archives or, worse, was documented in records the museum staff was regularly ordered to destroy. But none of those later accidents at the Cosmodrome (or another that killed 50 men at the Plesetsk rocket center north of Moscow in 1980) ever approached the death toll of that October evening only three years after Sputnik 1.

Over the years, many conflicting accounts of the disaster reached the West. As a lifelong space nut fascinated with Soviet mysteries and the sleuthing needed to unravel them, I collected and evaluated the stories and tried to fit the pieces together for more than a quarter of a century. Details came from credible Soviet sources both inside the USSR and overseas. Top-level spy Oleg Penkovskiy, executed in 1965, wrote in his memoirs that a "nuclear-powered" missile had exploded, and many recent Russian émigré elaborated on the theme (apparently basing their reports on the coincidental deaths of several top Soviet nuclear weapons experts elsewhere that October). Émigré Zhores Medvedev, who had a record of correct assessments, reported that the disaster involved a "moon rocket" needed for a propaganda spectacular. Nikita Khrushchev himself mentioned the disaster in the first volume of his memoirs, smuggled out of the Soviet Union and published in the United States in 1970, but he gave no hint of the role he may have played.

From these stories a scenario emerged. Late one afternoon a rocket's countdown was halted when problems cropped up. The launch team, ordered outside to attempt repairs, mounted the scaffolding around the balky, fully fueled missile. Suddenly the second-stage engine ignited, bursting the fuel tanks of the first stage and covering the launch pad in a tidal wave of flame.
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http://www.astronautix.com/articles/therophe.htm

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« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2008, 03:31:42 PM »
Any bets on Boroda coming up with stories like that for Nasa?;)

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« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2008, 05:40:40 PM »
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Any bets on Boroda coming up with stories like that for Nasa?;)


Either that, or that this never happened.

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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2008, 05:42:37 PM »
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Either that, or that this never happened.


Im betting on both lol.

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« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2008, 05:55:54 PM »
Obviously poorr amerikan special effects teams faked the footage:


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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2008, 04:37:09 PM »
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Obviously poorr amerikan special effects teams faked the footage:



Nice link Vulcan lol

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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2008, 06:49:12 PM »
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Im betting on both lol.


The Kremlins web filter seems to have kept him out of this one :)

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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2008, 07:04:00 PM »
Cameras triggered automatically by the blast.....mkay
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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2008, 07:20:24 PM »
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Cameras triggered automatically by the blast.....mkay
The way that I understand it is that the cameras automatically trigger upon any launch sequence of any rocket motor, not the blast. This is typical of our space program in its early days as well, sort of a historical database should something go wrong and no one survive.

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« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2008, 08:29:53 AM »
but you believe it tho right kgb?

You do believe that it was all hidden from you "for your own good" all these years right?

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« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2008, 09:11:55 AM »
"Good lunch time reading. xxxxxxxx Roughly 120 died"

Eh? What's "good" in it? That those people died and how they died, not thinking that they had wives and children mourning them?


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« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2008, 09:16:21 AM »
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but you believe it tho right kgb?

You do believe that it was all hidden from you "for your own good" all these years right?


My Grandfather served in Missile Corps until 1966, Father flew over 2 million km to Baikonur and back to Moscow in 1979-87, he visited Cosmodrome at least 1- 2 times every month, so I have heard of Nedelin's death when I was a little boy.

I don't see any reasons for releasing such "news" to public. I am all for controlled media, I have told many times why.

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« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2008, 10:50:25 AM »
Another soviet cover-up story of possibly even greater magnitude.

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On April 2, 1979, there was an unusual anthrax outbreak which affected 94 people and killed at least 64 of them in the Soviet city of Sverdlovsk (now called Ekaterinburg), roughly 850 miles east of Moscow. The first victim died after four days; the last one died six weeks later.
The Soviet government claimed the deaths were caused by intestinal anthrax from tainted meat, a story some influential American scientists found believable. However, officials in the Carter administration suspected the outbreak was caused by an accidental release of anthrax spores from a suspected Soviet biological weapons facility located in the city. The US believed that the Soviet Union was violating the Biological Weapons Convention signed in 1972 and made their suspicions public. But the Soviets denied any activities relating to biological weapons and at numerous international conferences tried to prove their contaminated meat story.

It wasn't until thirteen years later - 1992- that President Boris Yeltsin admitted, without going into details, that the anthrax outbreak was the result of military activity at the facility. During those thirteen years, while an intense debate raged within the international scientific and intelligence communities on whether the Russians were telling the truth, the Soviet Union continued its offensive biological warfare program unabated.

Around the time Yeltsin admitted the military facility was responsible for the incident, Russia allowed a team of Western scientists to go to Sverdlovsk to investigate the outbreak. The team visited Sverdlovsk in June 1992 and August 1993 and included Professor Matt Meselson.

Although the KGB had confiscated hospital and other records after the incident, the Western scientists were able to track where all the victims had been at the time of the anthrax release. Their results showed that on the day of the incident all the victims were clustered along a straight line downwind from the military facility. Livestock in the same area also died of anthrax. After completing their investigation, the team concluded the outbreak was caused by a release of an aerosol of anthrax pathogen at the military facility. But they were unable to determine what caused the release or what specific activities were conducted at the facility.

According to FRONTLINE's interview with Dr. Kanatjan Alibekov, former first deputy chief for Biopreparat (the civilian part of the Soviet biological weapons program), the anthrax airborne leak had been caused by workers at the military facility who forgot to replace a filter in an exhaust system. The mistake was realized shortly after, but by then some anthrax spores were released. Alibekov says if the wind had been in the opposite direction that day--toward the city of Sverdlovsk--the death rate could have been in the hundreds of thousands.

To this day, Western inspectors have not been allowed to visit this military facility.


Three facts about this are rather frightening.

1. The amount of anthrax spores released was quite small, definitely smaller than the amount contained in the infamous anthrax envelopes. It doesn't go into detail in the article, but if I remember from other sources I've read, people as far as 50km downwind of the plant were infected.

2. The last fatality occured six weeks later Nobody in the west would've ever thought that anthrax could be weaponeered into such a persistant agent.

3. Most frigtening, recently state controlled media (all TV in russia now is state controlled) in russia have ran stories denying that it was caused by an accident at a Biopreperat plant, and that it was really just a natural outbreak.

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« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2008, 11:06:03 AM »
I'd not heard of that before Suave. Thanks for sharing.

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« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2008, 11:09:08 AM »
How many people died?

Here all people working with animals get anthrax vaccination. Sanitary inspections usually check areas for anthrax graves if you want to get a permission for activities like summer camps for kids.