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Offline Nefarious

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« on: February 13, 2008, 07:24:40 PM »
I'm torn...

I have been saving for a new semi-auto rifle. I want more power and accuracy than my Simonovs and my WASR-10 and as much as I want a M4/M16/Black Rifle, I can't justify spending a grand on one.

Am I sacrificing anything by wanting a CETME or G3 over a US made Rifle? I have never shot a CETME, none of the local firearms stores carry them. They all have Colt or Rugers, but no CETME's.

Input appreciated.

EDIT: Forgot to add gunbroker Dream Link :)

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Offline Hornet33

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« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2008, 09:07:02 PM »
If your set on a semi auto .308 your going to end up spending big bucks regardless of what you buy. Plan on at least a grand for anything that will reliably shoot the round.

My personal choices for a semi auto .308 would be an M-14 or a FN-FAL. Both are top notch weapon systems with a proven track record in combat around the world.

Now if your just looking for the one shot stopping power that the .308 delivers you might be better off with a bolt action rifle. Plenty to choose from and many are several hundred dollars less than any semi auto that's worth a damn.

I have a Ruger Model 77 all weather in .308 and a Savage Model 16FHSS in .308  Both are awsome weapons and the accuracy is hard to beat for something right out of the box. Consistent 1/2 to 3/4 inch groups at 300 meters with factory Winchester ammo. Cold bore shots are usually within 1-2 inches of my aimpoint at 300 meters.
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« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2008, 10:41:14 PM »
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Originally posted by Nefarious
I'm torn...

I have been saving for a new semi-auto rifle. I want more power and accuracy than my Simonovs and my WASR-10 and as much as I want a M4/M16/Black Rifle, I can't justify spending a grand on one.

Am I sacrificing anything by wanting a CETME or G3 over a US made Rifle? I have never shot a CETME, none of the local firearms stores carry them. They all have Colt or Rugers, but no CETME's.

Input appreciated.

EDIT: Forgot to add gunbroker Dream Link :)

http://ww.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=91833048

Nef.


I have that same Century Arms CETME. My wife bought me one for my 50th birthday, 5 years ago this month.

I have eight 20 round mags, one 5 round mag. I also have 200 rounds of 7.62 NATO belted (M60 ammo) in original steel ammo box.

I've never fired the damn thing... It's literally brand new.

One day, I'll take it to the range...  ;)

What I have heard about the Century Arms CETMEs is that if it feeds, extracts and ejects cleanly, you got a good one. Most have very tight actions when new, but they loosen up after some shooting.

My wife paid about $375 for mine 5 years ago. A bargain at the time.

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« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2008, 10:47:51 PM »
How bout .223 Nef?

I use the stainless Ruger Mini14.  A great piece. Deadly accurate.
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« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2008, 11:09:04 PM »
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Originally posted by Nefarious
I'm torn...

I have been saving for a new semi-auto rifle. I want more power and accuracy than my Simonovs and my WASR-10 and as much as I want a M4/M16/Black Rifle, I can't justify spending a grand on one.

Am I sacrificing anything by wanting a CETME or G3 over a US made Rifle? I have never shot a CETME, none of the local firearms stores carry them. They all have Colt or Rugers, but no CETME's.

Input appreciated.

EDIT: Forgot to add gunbroker Dream Link :)

http://ww.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=91833048

Nef.


Wait, you whine about wanting an American .308 rifle, yet don't even mention the M14?


You've lost all privileges to even look at an M1a.  You're damn lucky your american citizenship isn't revoked over this.
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Offline Fishu

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« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2008, 11:38:52 PM »
What's the difference between G3 and CETME? CETME looks almost exactly the same, I'd be willing to bet it has the same mechanics too.
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« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2008, 12:38:19 AM »
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What's the difference between G3 and CETME? CETME looks almost exactly the same, I'd be willing to bet it has the same mechanics too.


I believe the CETME was made by German engineers' in Spain, after the Second World War. When it became feasible to do so, The engineering staff went back to Germany, to work for H & K, and they simply gave the CETME to them. At least, I think that's how the story goes...:noid
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« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2008, 02:45:09 AM »
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My personal choices for a semi auto .308 would be an M-14 or a FN-FAL. Both are top notch weapon systems with a proven track record in combat around the world.


We used FN-FAL's in cadet forces (we called em SLR's), before NZ switched to M-16's. The FN-FALs are booooootiful :)
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« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2008, 06:27:20 AM »
If you are looking for something that is going to come in a ways under a grand you need to look towards the Ruger Mini 30. I have seen them at gun shows for as low at 600. Now that is not new of course. A new one will set you back about 800-900$. That is not bad considering a standard model M1A is going to set you back around 1,300 new.

 As for an FN FAL forget about it. Even if you could find one, an FN FAL would be more than you are looking to spend. The knock off brands like Century, can be found for about 600-900. However, I would advise you to steer clear of the Century FAL's. Their quality control is hit or miss. I have seen some Century FALs that shoot flawlessly, and then I have seen others that looked like they were put together by a blind woman, they shot like it too. There are a lot of issues with Century and how they go about manufacturing their FALs. They tend to use mix and match parts.

 DSA makes good rifles, but they are a bit out of your price range. The cheapest I have seen a standard model was a grand used. However, if you can find one for that cheap, snatch it up. The DSA SA58 is an outstanding shooter. It is one of the most intimidating rifles in my collection. When you hold it, you feel like you have an implement of war in your hands. There is no mistaking it's power.

 In the end, if I were in your place, I would try to find a used Ruger Mini 30. It is cheap, it shoots pretty good, there are tons of websites out there for parts, magazines and accessories and the rifle is reliable. Ruger is a good company too. They do not have an official life time warranty due to all the restrictions that vary from state to state, however I have never heard of a case where someone was turned down by Ruger for replacement or repair. A few years ago I had a problem with a Ruger P89 9mm that had been though hell and back. I sent it to Ruger, they ended up replacing my P89 with a new one. They have one of the best customer service reputations in the business. The Mini 30 might not be the most accurate of the bunch, but it will get the job done.
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« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2008, 07:13:41 AM »
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Wait, you whine about wanting an American .308 rifle, yet don't even mention the M14?

You've lost all privileges to even look at an M1a.  You're damn lucky your american citizenship isn't revoked over this.


LOL! I'm sure if the INS saw my Commie Pinko Rifle Collection they would  deport me to China.

Back to the search I suppose. Thanks for the tips everyone.
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« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2008, 08:05:04 AM »
the mini 30 is not a nato.308 but I agree with you about the service.. I have a superblackhawk in 44 mag with well over 75,000 rounds through it that a bad lot of accurate arms powder cracked a cyl on..  Ruger practically rebuilt the gun for free even tho I told em it was the powder companies fault and that I would pay for the repair gladly.

If 30 caliber semi auto is the only consideration...  the most fun I have with rifles is my M1 garand in 30 ought six.

A tad more powerful than the .308 and you can get one around a grand with luck.   Accurate and fun and made of real wood and steel.

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« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2008, 09:19:15 AM »
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the mini 30 is not a nato.308 but I agree with you about the service.. I have a superblackhawk in 44 mag with well over 75,000 rounds through it that a bad lot of accurate arms powder cracked a cyl on..  Ruger practically rebuilt the gun for free even tho I told em it was the powder companies fault and that I would pay for the repair gladly.

If 30 caliber semi auto is the only consideration...  the most fun I have with rifles is my M1 garand in 30 ought six.

A tad more powerful than the .308 and you can get one around a grand with luck.   Accurate and fun and made of real wood and steel.

lazs


 The older Mini 30s are .308. My mini 30 is .308 cal. The newer models bore is .311, however it can still shoot .308 cal. My older model Mini 30 can not fire the Wolf stuff. The newer models can fire the NATO .308 and the .311 rounds, which is what most of the cheaper Russian and Chinese 7.62 X 39 ammo is loaded with. This is one of the major reasons for the not so hot accuracy of the Mini 30.
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« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2008, 11:30:19 AM »
.308 NATO = 7.62x51
Ruger Mini 30 = 7.62x39

It would be quite a trick to shoot the former in the latter.
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« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2008, 11:47:16 AM »
R-Guns in my neck of the woods has a wide selection of FALs. As noted, they run in the $1500 range. There is a really nice "paratrooper" I would like to get when I move out of Cook County.

I priced out an alternative to consider. You get a new receiver and US factory parts kit (5 US parts to make it legal, I believe) You also get an Imbel parts kit that for the rest of the major components. You can then gunsmith it yourself or have a gunsmith that specializes in such builds do it for around $300 or so. As I recall it comes in under $1000, but with more hassle.

Here's a link to one guys build:

http://www.wecsog.org/fal/carbine/

Charon
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« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2008, 11:56:10 AM »
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.308 NATO = 7.62x51
Ruger Mini 30 = 7.62x39

It would be quite a trick to shoot the former in the latter.
was about to post the very thing.  mini 30 shoot AK47 ammo
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