The price of saying sorry....

[Coshy]

Edit: Blah, nevermind

[Shifty]

Originally posted by Ghosth
There is no going back. There was no going back when the Celts kicked out the Picts. Or when the Saxons kicked out the Celts, or when the Normans overran the Saxons. There was no going back when the second wave of Native americans across the land bridge kicked the first wave farther south and east.
Its happened all across the world, again and again. People get displaced, technology changes, life moves on.

There is no going back, period. Life happens, stuff happens, a country can not be held liable for what happened that many years ago. Times change, opinions change, the way to treat and deal with problems change.

All we can hope is that we are moving forward, and make steps to that point.

Well said.. All this time I thought common sense was like Bigfoot and UFOs. You hear about, you just never see it. Thank you Ghosth.

[ZetaNine]

I'm still waiting for my check from the romans when back in the day they threw my people to the lions for sport.

I wants me sum rep-ur-a-shunz

[SD67]

Originally posted by Chairboy
They took their children, you don't think an apology is in order?  This was happening up until the 70s too.  That's pretty appalling.

I do agree it was pretty appalling, we were influenced by the ideals of British eugenics in the assumption that if we took the children out of a disadvantaged situation and gave them greater opportunity they would assimilate into the modern culture successfully. The experiment was of course a failure of epic proportions.
If it was just a case of saying sorry then so be it, but unfortunately it is not and was never going to stop at that. This is why the Coalition Government under King Johnny wouldn't touch this issue with a barge pole.  
Certain elements of the indigenous population were waiting for this to happen so they could jump on the litigation band wagon and milk it for all it's worth, once a precedent has been set the floodgates are open for thousands of similar claims which will place an unimaginable burden on the taxpayers of this country.
Am I sorry that you were forced to endure this burden? Yes, I am.
Do I think you should use it as a means to further rort our already generous social security and ancillary benefits schemes you enjoy? NO!

[LePaul]

Well said, Ghost

Around here, we constantly hear the complaints from the various indian tribes playing the "historical victim card".  Yet, we cow to them.

I'd love to show them the history books and point out I dont see the "surviving descendants" of the Roman Empire suing the Germans (Huns) for compensation, land and free college for savaging their society.

[Gixer]

SD67

You only have to look at New Zealand to see how much money they can suck out of the government. Some of the claims are just straight out cons, yet the government bends over and pays.


...-Gixer

[Xasthur]

Originally posted by SD67
I do agree it was pretty appalling, we were influenced by the ideals of British eugenics in the assumption that if we took the children out of a disadvantaged situation and gave them greater opportunity they would assimilate into the modern culture successfully. The experiment was of course a failure of epic proportions.
If it was just a case of saying sorry then so be it, but unfortunately it is not and was never going to stop at that. This is why the Coalition Government under King Johnny wouldn't touch this issue with a barge pole.  
Certain elements of the indigenous population were waiting for this to happen so they could jump on the litigation band wagon and milk it for all it's worth, once a precedent has been set the floodgates are open for thousands of similar claims which will place an unimaginable burden on the taxpayers of this country.
Am I sorry that you were forced to endure this burden? Yes, I am.
Do I think you should use it as a means to further rort our already generous social security and ancillary benefits schemes you enjoy? NO!

Well said, mate. Kevin Rudd will be the worst thing to happen to this country in a decade.

Rudd is so busy trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy' that he's going to run this country into the ground. Whenever there is an out-cry he's there to 'make it all better' with understanding and a soft hand.

A country needs a firm leader, not a fairy who is out to please every minority group with a problem.

John Howard was dead right to not apologise and further more he was spot on saying that it's an insult to ask the current government for an apology. Howard stuck to his guns to the very end and he deserves respect for that.

People will think I'm an stunninghunk for standing my ground on this one but to hell with that. This country is full of fat, useless mollusks who are so busy trying to be politically correct at all times that they will end up with absolutely nothing for anyone.

The funny thing is that the Aboriginals who will now seek to gain further monetary advantage out of this will end up losing the majority of their settlements to the 'farkin' white c-nts' (to use a popular phrase) who are part of the system that caused the whole problem in the first place.

Hoorah for intelligence, aye?

I just hope the justice system displays greater testicular fortitude than the Rudd government does.

[lazs2]

wait a minute..  are you guys all anti science?   eugenics was embraced by "all" the scientists.    especially the brit ones..  you aren't seriously saying that many brit scientists can be wrong are you?

Next you will be saying the brit scientists who came up with man made global warming by co2 are wrong too.. what next...  dark ages?

lazs

[Chairboy]

So, if a scientist gets one thing wrong, then everything else is wrong too?  Classical logical fallacy.

Socrates is a man, therefor all men are Socrates.

[lazs2]

no but.. it does mean that they can be wrong.   It does mean that saying that "all the scientists" believe something doesn't make it so.    

but.. when it comes to predictions of world ending or even threatening disaster...  one could look at the their overall record for accuracy.. that would be..  oh..  like...  0% more or less.

lazs

[Yknurd]

I was the fifth dentist from the Trident commercials, the one who didn't agree.

I thought it relevant to mention this at this particular juncture in time.

[cpxxx]

Apologies for historical wrongs are pointless. Mere window dressing. Righting the wrongs is what counts for living victims of these injustices. Financial compensation is equally pointless when the real issue is loss of your culture, your identity, your family.  The Australian Aborigines have suffered under white Australian rule. It happened everywhere though, in North America, South America, Europe. I haven't noticed the Spanish apologising to the Incas and the Aztecs.  It's still happening, right now in Asia and South America, zealous missionaries are seeking out indigineous people in remote forests in order to 'save' them from their Godless existence. It's a continuing disgrace.

But it's easy to say sorry, much harder to restore a peoples dignity or their culture.  They say sorry to absolve themselves of further responsibility.  They're not really sorry because of course, most of the time they had nothing to do with the injustice in the first place.

Nothing much will change for the native Australians because of this. It's all hot air.