New England's Belichick has been taping since 2000

[DaPup]

I see someone who's not a NE fan  

Many coaches have done the exact same thing just never were stupid enough to get caught. It's a well known fact that the opposite team will try many devious ways to steal signals...that is why they cover their mouths when sending in plays.

I will agree that cheating is wrong in any form when it is such a big deal for many people but Specter should stick to what he knows, $500.00 taxpayer funded lunches, missed votes, illegal campaign contributions and burying the US in debt

Maybe Congress could try to straighten out a few of our countries real problems and let the baseball and football people try to handle their own misfortunes. I know that's a radical thought for all these government officials since they seem to need to have one hand up everyones bellybutton while they have their other hand in front of you begging for dollars.

[C(Sea)Bass]

Originally posted by DaPup
I see someone who's not a NE fan  

Many coaches have done the exact same thing just never were stupid enough to get caught. It's a well known fact that the opposite team will try many devious ways to steal signals...that is why they cover their mouths when sending in plays.

Stealing signals is one thing. Taping them from the sideline is very different. There is nothing in the rules that says you cannot watch the other team's sideline from your own side and try to learn the signals. There is a rule against taping their sideline.

[DaPup]

I will agree that cheating is wrong in any form when it is such a big deal for many people

Which is why I included this in there. How convenient for Coach Mangini that he was aware and participated in the practice so that he could point out the right person at the right time though for the NFL

[FiLtH]

Whaa get over it already. I wonder how many coaches around the NFL had tape burning events.

[Cougar68]

Originally posted by DaPup
Maybe Congress could try to straighten out a few of our countries real problems and let the baseball and football people try to handle their own misfortunes.  

The problem is that they aren't handling.  Baseball hadn't paid the steroid issue much more than lip service until the hearings several years ago.  And now Goodell tries to sweep the cheating scandal under the rug.  If the commissioners of the two sports would have dealt with the problems on their own, nothing else would be necessary.

[john9001]

but juiced players mean exciting games which mean more fans which mean mo money.

MLB made the ball livelier, made the strike zone smaller, made the outfield fence closer, all to make the game higher scoring and more "exciting", why would they they not want the players to juice up, a run for the home run record sells tickets.

it's a business not a sport.

[DaPup]

Originally posted by Cougar68
The problem is that they aren't handling.  Baseball hadn't paid the steroid issue much more than lip service until the hearings several years ago.  And now Goodell tries to sweep the cheating scandal under the rug.  If the commissioners of the two sports would have dealt with the problems on their own, nothing else would be necessary.

Sure they are, maybe not to everyones wishes but they have dealt with the issues. There are thousands of baseball players, they are some of the most drug tested employees in the US. If every company had their testing program there would be alot of unhappy people I'd bet that many companies with thousands of employees have a higher drug use percentage than MLB.

As for the cheating "scandal", a first round draft pick and a $500k fine isn't exactly not dealing with it.

[Fulmar]

Why do we have the Judicial branch?  Let's just bring everyone accused of doing a wrong doing in front of a congressional hearing.

[AKIron]

18-1

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by john9001
but juiced players mean exciting games which mean more fans which mean mo money.

MLB made the ball livelier, made the strike zone smaller, made the outfield fence closer, all to make the game higher scoring and more "exciting", why would they they not want the players to juice up, a run for the home run record sells tickets.

it's a business not a sport.

That made it more boring, not more exciting.

[Cougar68]

Originally posted by DaPup
Sure they are, maybe not to everyones wishes but they have dealt with the issues. There are thousands of baseball players, they are some of the most drug tested employees in the US. If every company had their testing program there would be alot of unhappy people I'd bet that many companies with thousands of employees have a higher drug use percentage than MLB.

As for the cheating "scandal", a first round draft pick and a $500k fine isn't exactly not dealing with it.

The drug testing came in after the first rounds of congressional hearings on steroids in baseball.  Until then, it was rampant.  Stringent drug testing is necessary to keep the sports as clean as possible.  Baseball is making headway, but still has more work to do.  

$500k and a first round pick is nothing compared to what should have been done.  We're not talking about cheating in one game anymore, we're talking about cheating that's spanned 7 years and three Super Bowls.  This goes waaaaay beyond $500k fines and draft picks.  Goodell stepped in and made his little stand against it and then briskly tried to sweep it away.  Thankfully it's all going to come out now.

[Nefarious]

Originally posted by Cougar68
Thankfully it's all going to come out now.

Did I mention I'm loving it?

[Sixpence]

Old news, Belichick admitted this when he handed over the tapes.

Three jets defensive coaches flash signals to the defense(as all teams do), the one that sends the live signal changes all the time. Why? Cause they know they are being watched and filmed.

Do the jets do this when they play the patriots? No, they do that against every team, why? And why do other teams do the same thing against everyone they play? If you are capable, use a little logic and you will realize how widespread it is.

My guess is the jets(and other teams) will have three signal callers next season also. This is so overblown it borders on idiocy, if it was the Lions(or seahawks) it would have been a back page story.

The Pats are the best run team in the NFL, get over it. And truth be told, if Belichick ever hit the open market every team in the NFL would open the bank to sign him, no matter how many teams he filmed. Put him as head coach of the cowboys today and they would instantly be the favorite to win the SB. He's that good.

The petty jealousy is humorous, grow a pair

As for spector, his 2nd biggest campaign contributor is comcast(you know, the one with the ongoing dispute with the NFL?) and his biggest contributor is the law firm that represents comcast

spector needs to question his own integrity, not the NFL. With philly's lack of jobs and exploding crime rate you figure he would have more important things to worry about

[DaPup]

Originally posted by Cougar68
The drug testing came in after the first rounds of congressional hearings on steroids in baseball.  

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/story/2003/11/13/mlb031113.html

Mandatory drug testing was agreed upon and implemented well before the first round of hearings. And there was plenty of drug testing before that point just ask Dwight Gooden or Darryl Strawberry.

I'm curious what you would have deemed a fit punishment for the Patriots? You say it goes way beyond the punishment given, why is that? Are you somehow affiliated with the NFL and feel you should dictate their policies to them?

Maybe Congress should get involved in drug testing for airplane mechanics, the UAW and the Doctors cutting into me. I care more about them being drug free than some juiced guy hitting a little ball around for 20 mil

[Stang]

Why is it most Pats fans can't own up to the fact that their coach is a miserable cheating loser?  Come on, have some class and call the guy out for what he is.  New Englanders always defend their teams no matter what the case it seems.

Anyone seen xBishSquaddie/Patriots since the big game?