New England's Belichick has been taping since 2000

[Bodhi]

Every NFL game is taped by the major television channel that carries the game.  They have several different cameras covering a multitude of different angles.  When the "live" camera is switched amongst the different angles, the others do not shut off.  They continue to film.  Those tapes are the property of the NFL and the teams that play the game.  

If they (teams involved) did not review those tapes and look for signals, they would be idiots.

This is being blown out of proportion.

[FiLtH]

Originally posted by Stang
Why is it most Pats fans can't own up to the fact that their coach is a miserable cheating loser?  Come on, have some class and call the guy out for what he is.  New Englanders always defend their teams no matter what the case it seems.

Anyone seen xBishSquaddie/Patriots since the big game?

  Its called loyalty Stang. Thanks for noticing

[Cougar68]

Originally posted by DaPup

I'm curious what you would have deemed a fit punishment for the Patriots? You say it goes way beyond the punishment given, why is that? Are you somehow affiliated with the NFL and feel you should dictate their policies to them?

 

I'll admit my timing on the implementation of the steroids policy was off.  However, implementing a policy in 2004 is a flat out joke.  Steroids and baseball went hand in hand long before that and everyone knew it.  

I'm not sure what a fit punishment for the Patsies is going to be yet.  I don't think anyone yet realizes the extent of what they're dealing with.  There has been allegations of tampering with the quarterback/coach devices for years at the Patsies' home games.  There's more to it than we know.

And yes, coaches expect their signals to be stolen, everyone does it, and there's plenty of camera angles on the TV networks to try and get your footage from.  However, NFL policy STRICTLY prohibits teams to have cameras on the sidelines during a game.  Yet the Patsies got away with it for seven freakin years!!!  Say there is an offensive linemen who gets away with holding for every game of his career.  It's a small penalty, but it's against the rules and affects the outcome of the game.  That's what we're dealing with here.  Having a tape of the coaches calling signals is an advantage, like it or not.  Probably not for the game you're playing at the time, but it's definitlely going to be helpful if you see them a second time around.  

Just imagine how much easier their first Super Bowl win was knowing what the Rams would call in the red zone.  Sour grapes for me?  Absolutely not!!  I want every team to be forced to play by the same rules.

[rpm]

Originally posted by Sixpence
Old news, Belichick admitted this when he handed over the tapes.

The Pats are the best run team in the NFL, get over it.  

I think the best team in the NFL is the New York Giants. Remember, Manning got to go to DisneyWorld, not Brady.

Just because you win by cheating, does not mean you are better. It just means you are better at cheating.

[john9001]

Originally posted by rpm
IJust because you win by cheating, does not mean you are better. It just means you are better at cheating.

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by rpm

I think the best team in the NFL is the New York Giants. Remember, Manning got to go to DisneyWorld, not Brady.

I said the best run team in the nfl, not the best team

Just because you win by cheating, does not mean you are better. It just means you are better at cheating.

Well, seeming there was no cheating, there is no need to address this

Again, Spector's two biggest contributors are comcast and the law firm that represents comcast. This is spector putting pressure on the nfl to strike a deal with the cable companies, nothing more.

This would be great as far as i'm concerned, even though there was nothing illegal and it would be a total waste of taxpayer money, could you see other coaches having to answer under oath if they did the same thing? lol! Belichick has already hinted he has film of other coaches doing the same thing, and we all know it happens. Spector knows this, and knows the nfl doesn't want this to happen. He knows if he keeps the pressure on the nfl strikes a deal with comcast and everything gets dropped.

[Sixpence]

"Anyway, on the three-hour Super Bowl edition of ESPN's NFL Countdown, Mike Tirico, Ron Jaworski and Steve Young were discussing what can be gained from knowing the other team's plays. Young has previously made his thoughts known, but Jaworksi offered some unique insights, and a slightly different take than Young:
 
"I'm going to give you a real-life example. I'm going to take you back to 1975 ... I'm playing quarterback for the Los Angeles Rams against the St. Louis Cardinals in a playoff game. We had 'stole' their signals by 'studying' the St. Louis Cardinals defensive coordinator who called the plays.

James Harris, my backup quarterback on the sideline, had a red towel in his hand. Every time I broke the huddle, I would look over to James Harris. For a quarter and a half, I got nothing.

But then in the second quarter, I break the huddle and James Harris throws the red towel on the ground. That was the signal to me that he had gotten their signal that a blitz was coming, the middle of the field was open. I hit Harold Jackson for a long touchdown pass.

There's a huge advantage if you know the coverage scheme."
And that last sentence pretty much says it all. Well, except, that Jaws added this addendum: "To me, it's always part of the game. If you can gain the advantage to help you win, go for it."

Young then asked Jaws point-blank: "So you're okay to go in and sneak in and tape someone's practice?"

Jaworski's response: "Yeah, I'm okay with it. I'm okay with it. I think [the Patriots] pushed the envelope a little bit -- they pushed it -- but I'm okay with it."

Didn't jaworski go on and play for the eagles?? Maybe spector should investigate his own team eh?

[Nefarious]

No one cares about the what the "Polish Rifle" has to say.

Taping the walk through practice of the Rams before the Super Bowl is Cheating and is different from using NFL films and studying the signals. Filming the other teams coaching staff from other than the designated areas is also cheating. Why do you think nearly all the coaching staff in the NFL cover there mouths while calling plays?

The fact of the matter remains, the Patriots and Bill Bellichek were both fined by the NFL. The fines and loss of one of there first round picks was because they cheated and were caught doing so.

If they we're not cheating...Why were they fined and penalized?

[Cougar68]

Sixpence, your homer panties are showing.  I don't think anyone is denying that teams try to steal each other's signals.  Why else would coach's cover their mouths and have multiple people calling plays, we all know that.  What is against the rules and cheating is having a freakin' camera man from the team on the sideline taping the coaches.  If someone can manage to steal the signals by watching during the game, go for it!  It's the other teams fault for not mixing it up better.  But when the signals are recorded from the sideline and studied later it's too far.  If Belicheck has info on other teams doing it I would love to know about it.

As for Jaworski, one guy saying he isn't bothered by it doesn't mean squat.  There are dozens of other talking heads saying the exact opposite.  Just because Jaworski thinks it's okay to run covert ops and sneak in to tape practices doesn't make it right.

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by Nefarious
Filming the other teams coaching staff from other than the designated areas is also cheating

No, having access to it during the game is cheating, learn the rules. Goodell has stated there was no cheating. But hey, it's fits your argument so run with it.

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by Cougar68 [/QUTOE]
What is against the rules and cheating is having a freakin' camera man from the team on the sideline taping the coaches.

Again gainst the rules, but not cheating

If someone can manage to steal the signals by watching during the game, go for it!  It's the other teams fault for not mixing it up better.  But when the signals are recorded from the sideline and studied later it's too far.

Are you ignorant on purpose? You can tape anything, but it has to be from designated areas to make sure the coaching staff does not have access to it during the game. You can study it all you want after the game

If Belicheck has info on other teams doing it I would love to know about it.

every team has film on every other team, now you know about it

As for Jaworski, one guy saying he isn't bothered by it doesn't mean squat.

He said more than that, he said he did it


Look, here is the rule for you:

"Videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent's offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches' booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game."

You see the rule? Not prohibited, but prohibited from areas accessible to staff during the game. Are you getting it yet?


Again, you can tape anything from designated areas and watch it all you want after the game. They don't want cameras in areas they can't monitor, they don't want any perception of cheating? Are you starting to understand now? Of course not, you have an agenda and facts mean nothing to you.

Before they took the camera, they watched the photographer for eight minutes. Why? Because they wanted to see if the coaching staff was having any contact with the camera man. That would have been cheating But there was no contact, that's why Goodell said there was no cheating during the jets game

And homer panties? Are you not the one during the season who had to do a tap dance? Remember when the Titans were accused of adding all that sand to the field against the colts? Are you not the one who said it was because the field was all tore up from college and other events when in fact they had just installed new field turf?

Oh yeah, that was you, imagine that

[Bodhi]

this continued argument is so rediculous.  Who the fluck even cares anymore.

Personally I think the idiot that just sued the Pats, Kraft, and Bellichick is further proof that too many people want a free nickel.

[DiabloTX]

You know, New Englanders have won 3 super bowls and 2 world series in the last 7 years.  You'd think by they way they've reacted to getting out played and out coached by the Giants that the curse of the Bambino not only lives on but is more heart-breaking than ever before.

Get over it.

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by DiabloTX
You know, New Englanders have won 3 super bowls and 2 world series in the last 7 years.  You'd think by they way they've reacted to getting out played and out coached by the Giants that the curse of the Bambino not only lives on but is more heart-breaking than ever before.

Get over it.

Just one more, just for Rip

http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=27384

[Nefarious]

Originally posted by Sixpence
No, having access to it during the game is cheating, learn the rules. Goodell has stated there was no cheating. But hey, it's fits your argument so run with it.

So why were they fined and penalized?