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Offline BaldEagl

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« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2008, 05:45:40 PM »
My monitor is ~3 years old.

As to that sound card question, if music playback warrants a seperate sound card, is the one I selected the right one, or is there something better for music playback, or, would I be better off to go low-end for my current machine and swap my Live Value into the new machine (and if so, will I have trouble finding drivers for XP since it was built during the Win 95/98 days)
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« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2008, 05:50:32 PM »
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How old is the monitor you are planning to re-use? Going from an old machine with windows 98 to a new machine running XP, your old monitor may not be workable.

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I've never heard of this.  I've used monitors from 1994 just to power up a system to see if it worked (that was running XP).

I've never used MEMTest with a floppy disk...I've always used it on a CD.

If you are an audiophile, then I highly recommend getting an X-FI sound card.  I've never heard a good onboard sound chipset.  I used to have an SB Audigy Platnium for years until this last January when I bought an X-FI card.  I didn't think I would notice a big difference, but it was noticeable.

As for the speakers.  I'm not a fan of computer speakers.  For a surround sound system for a TV, I generally go pretty large and spend the $$$.  For computer used, I have some older Altec Lansings that I rarely used.  If I'm listening to music or playing games - I have my Sennheiser headphones.

When it comes to computer speakers...IMO, a good set of headpones can't be beat.
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« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2008, 06:44:27 PM »
Yep its odd I agree, but nonetheless when I upgraded a few years ago and figured I'd save a bit and use my old monitor it just wouldn't work. Worked fine on the old machine though.

Mind you, I upgraded from "steam driven" to "coal fired" back then.;)

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« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2008, 09:44:17 PM »
OK BaldEagl.. That is a sweet system, but in all honesty.. VERY MUCH OVERKILL for an AH system.

What exactly do you intend on using this system for?

You can shave the price of everything by AT LEAST HALF, and it's still going to be DOZENS AND DOZENS OF TIMES BETTER than your current setup.

Here's my deal:

I bought an AMD 2200XP system a few years back for about $400.

Just over a year ago I upgraded to this (Reusing the old case, Power Supply, XP Home OS)

-ASRock DualVSTA Motherboard
-E6300 Core-duo Intel Processor (1.83GHZ)
-160GB SATA HardDrive
-CD-RW/DVD-ROM Combo Drive
-2GB DDR2 Ram (Forget exact speed)
-Nvidia 6200 256MB AGP Video

Total investment of this upgrade = less than $400

Last month, I upgraded my Power supply to a 600Watt, and upgraded my Video to a 7900GS PCI-Express... This upgrade cost me about $150

I also purchased a Saitek X52 to replace my aged X45 joystick, but that's not really important to the discussion.

So I figure.. $550... If I had to buy a case and XP HOME this might run another $100 or so.. so basically you can have a very sweet system for under $700.

With graphics maxed out (1280X1024, 1024 textures - Hi Res, All ingame graphics set to quality).. I get a solid 75FPS about 90% of the time.  Add in a lot of smoke or fog or fire.. and a huge furball.. it MIGHT drop to 60-65.  Keep in mind, the monitor's refresh rate is 75FPS, so anything above this is wasted anyway.

Even Microsoft FSX at about 2/3 quality settings I average 20-25FPS.

Again, this is about one step down in technology, but it's expensive to stay current.  XP Pro has some more features to it, but for normal computing needs, unless you need it specifically for your hardware to work (Quad core processor for example).. I really don't see much point to spending the extra money.

Say what you want, but I don't really factor in future upgrading in the parts I buy.  These days you just about have to replace the motherboard anyway for any kind of significant upgrades... and this usually means different RAM and Processor anyway... Perhaps if I couldn't work on them myself I might think differently, but I'd rather spend less money on what I need NOW, rather then  double (or triple) the price for something I *MIGHT* need later.

Forget about SLI... even in the future... it's 'flawed' in the fact that the bang for the buck is about as poor as possible.  It's kind of like spending $1000 on an upgrade for your car to add 10Horsepower.. It just doesn't make sense, especially when you can buy the next generation video card for about the same price (in the future mind you) and get a MUCH better improvement, than two of the older generation cards.

But then again, aside from FSX and AH... the computer for the most part is used for Email and Surfing...  I have a feeling your probably in the same boat.  I wouldn't feel comfortable recommending the "Latest and Greatest" for a whole lot more money if you're really not going to need any of it.

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« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2008, 11:07:12 PM »
Bald,
you do not need to even be above the 50% average of PC builds to obtain 1280 x 1024 screen rez / 70 refresh rate, 1024 hi-rez texture packages

My old system, the one I am useing right now to type this, is roughly 5 yrs old or older.whels gave me most of the orginal components when he built him a new one.

this pc consist of:

AMD Socket A athlonXP2800+
ASUS A7N8X-E Deluxe MB
Antec TruePower II 650 watt PSU ( 1 of the last GOOD Antecs )
1 gig Corsair pc3200 DDR Ram
(2) Hitachi HD's SATA I 160 gig setup in RAID 1 ( mirrored )
Ati X800Pro 256 Meg AGP Slot video Card
ASUS DVD-RW DL IDE  Burner
ASUS DVD-Rom IDE Drive
Mitsumi Floppy/card reader
PCI Audiphile Sound card ( for recording/mixing purposes to work with my  - digidesign protools, reason, ableton, Line 6 TonePort  music hobby stuff )
PCI Creative Labs SoundBlaster PCI512 ( used mainly for the analog gameport/midi port only )
DELL UltraSharp 19" LCD Monitor in DVI ( 70 refrsh is max it allows )

most of this stuff was already used, I only bought new the HD's, DVD drives, and Whels sent me a replacement NEW MB, when the 1st MSI MB arrived dead......everything else is/was second hand......

as I said, I get a solid 70 FPS when flying Aces High in 1280x1024 res using the 1024 hi-rz texture pack...... only in scenarios with multiple people launching at same time or heavy furballs 25 to 30 + in same area under roughly 3 or 4k of each other , do I experience a dip to around 55 to 65 fps this includes fog, smoke, lots of fires etc.......sliders  are maxed toward left toward detail.....

note* that my WinXP Pro is either running 28 to 29 processes at maximum or most times between 19 to 22 processes, though.......

so to get the maximum out of the game, you do not need TOPSHELF PC Build.....  I do however run a 6,000 meg pagefile ( virtual memory manually set in advanced settings )

hope this helps
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« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2008, 12:27:27 AM »
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I'm considering buying a new machine.  Before I post the parts list, let me explain a few things.

When I bought my first machine in 1996, it was about one step below the top of the line at the time.  In it's final configuration:

IBM
150 MB PII
32 MB RAM
2 MB on-board video
Soundblaster sound card
4 GB HD
Windows 95

Sadly, technology was advancing quickly and within 2 years it was obsolete but I stretched it another year.  Then I bought my second machine, again, about one step below the then current top of the line.  This was in 1997 and it is still the machine I'm using today.  In it's current configuration:

Dell Dimension T-600
600 MB PIII
512 MB PC100/133 SRAM
64 MB G-Force MX-440
Soundblaster Live Value
2x 120 GB Western Digital ATA 100 HD's
Windows 98  

Yes, I know it's pitiful by today's standards but the configuration is clean and I still get 15-35 fps with it in almost all situations in-game (Aces High II).  Beyond that, my financial condition over the past several years has been strained at best, and while I don’t see an immediate end to this, I'm close to finally biting the bullet and upgrading my machine.

That said, I don't want to buy something cheap just to get something.  I want something with solid current-state performance and the flexibility to be able to upgrade it well into the future (who knows, it might have to last me the next ten years).  To that end, I've spent the past month and a half searching, researching, weighing pros and cons and price, and think I've come up with what I'm looking for.

I'm literally going to have to start from scratch with everything as the technology in my current machine is now obsolete.  Because of that, I'm going to keep my current machine intact and keep it for... well... I'm not sure but I'll just keep it for now.  I will transfer my 19" Viewsonic CRT monitor to the new machine for now and pull my Sony Trinitron 17" out of storage for the old machine.

What I'd like to know is;

Are there places where I can gain a significant savings without a significant hit to performance or future upgrade possibilities?

Are there places where, with a small additional investment I'll gain a lot in terms of performance or future upgrade possibilities?

Is there an obviously better choice among any of these components that I’ve missed?

Is everything I've picked out compatible?

I'm not planning on over clocking at this point.  I don't want to void any warranties.  Can I over clock at some later date (say after warranties expire)?  If so that’s also a future upgrade I would consider.

As far as a new JS goes, I'm a lefty and the choices are extremely limited (wish I could get my MS Sidewinder to work but it's a game port), plus, my choice was budget related for now.

As to the HD’s, I prefer a dual HD set-up; one for applications and one for data storage (did I mention I have a very clean configuration on my current machine?)

Here's the list (everything from Newegg for now, I haven't cross-shopped for price yet):

COOLER MASTER CAVALIER 3 CAV-T03-UK Black Aluminum / Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
Model #: CAV-T03-UK
Item #: N82E16811119074
$59.99  
   
EVGA 132-CK-NF78-A1 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 780i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Model #: 132-CK-NF78-A1
Item #: N82E16813188024
$249.99  
   
EVGA 512-P3-N802-AR GeForce 8800GT Superclocked 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
Model #: 512-P3-N802-AR
Item #: N82E16814130319
$259.99  
   
PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610 EPS12V EPS12V 610W Continuous @ 40°C Power Supply - Retail
Model #: Silencer 610 EPS12V
Item #: N82E16817703005
$119.99  
   
Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 Conroe 2.66GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80557E6750 - Retail
Model #: BX80557E6750
Item #: N82E16819115029
$189.99  
   
G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-2GBNQ - Retail
Model #: F2-6400CL5D-2GBNQ
Item #: N82E16820231098
$44.99  
   
SONY Black 1.44MB 3.5" Internal Floppy Drive Windows 98SE/ ME/ 2000/ XP - OEM
Model #: MPF920 Black
Item #: N82E16821103116
$7.99  
   
2x Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3250410AS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
Model #: ST3250410AS
Item #: N82E16822148262
$69.99 ea.     $139.98  
   
Microsoft ZG6-00006 Black PS/2 Wired Standard Keyboard 500 - Retail
Model #: ZG6-00006
Item #: N82E16823109164
$11.99  
   
Saitek ST290 Joystick - Retail
Model #: ST290
Item #: N82E16826102506
$21.99  
   
Microsoft D66-00069 Black 3 Buttons 1 x Wheel USB + PS/2 Wired Optical Mouse - Retail
Model #: D66-00069
Item #: N82E16826105164
$11.99  
   
ASUS Black SATA DVD-ROM Drive Model DVD-E616A3T - Retail
Model #: DVD-E616A3T
Item #: N82E16827135143
$20.99  
   
ASUS 20X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe Black SATA Model DRW-2014L1T - Retail
Model #: DRW-2014L1T
Item #: N82E16827135156
$35.99  
   
Microsoft Windows Vista 32-Bit Home Premium for System Builders Single Pack DVD - OEM
Model #: 66I-00715
Item #: N82E16832116202
$109.99  
   
ALTEC LANSING VS4121BLK 31 Watts 2.1 Speaker - Retail
Model #: VS4121BLK
Item #: N82E16836113017
$79.99
 
Subtotal: $1,365.84

Comments?


First of all, Vista is worthless and will only degrade your gaming experience across the board.  Stick with 2000 or XP.  If AH is the ONLY game you play, then you don't really need all this stuff you've listed and don't need to spend 1400 bucks.

If you go with a late generation Pentium 4 (such as a P4 3.2 HT with 800mhz FSB and 1 Meg L2 cache) along with 2 gigs of ram and a decent videocard (something along the lives of a Geforce 6800GS/GT or better) then you'll be actually ahead of a lot of people who play AH.  The latest and greatest truly is not required for AH.  I can build a machine for about 300 bones that will keep up with the best of them.  If you're on a budget, this is the way to go.

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« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2008, 12:42:04 AM »
The guy wants something that is going to last him a while.  I hope Aces High doesnt look the same way it does it 2 years.  Why not build a system that will be somewhat ready for stuff 2 years down the line?

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That said, I don't want to buy something cheap just to get something. I want something with solid current-state performance and the flexibility to be able to upgrade it well into the future (who knows, it might have to last me the next ten years). To that end, I've spent the past month and a half searching, researching, weighing pros and cons and price, and think I've come up with what I'm looking for.


If he has budgeted himself to spend $1300 with his finances, why not let him splurge a bit?  He's suffered with a P3 600mhz for how long?  Yeah your $300 system will get you 60fps in AH now, but thats now the point there.  There's a whole 'nother realm of games out there that he has missed over the years that he ALSO may enjoy.  Or perhaps that game down the line?

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« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2008, 09:33:59 AM »
I wouldn't recomment the ASRock dual775-VSTA. I have it. It's really great for an "upgrade board" (where you keep all your old parts) but it only supports 2GB max RAM, and the PCIe port is really 4x. It'll run 16x cards but benchmarks show 10% less performance than a full 16x slot. Also, it does NOT support PCIe x16 2.0, so no Ge8800s, no ATI 3850s or 3870s (<-- that right there pisses me off! I wanted to upgrade to a 3870 but I can't!)


Good for upgrades, not recommended for a fresh build!

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« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2008, 01:22:33 PM »
Thanks for all the help and responses everyone.  I have been re-looking at the entire build, taking everyones comments into consideration and have changed it a bit and brought the cost down modestly (currently ~1150).  I'll re-post the new configuration when I get a chance.
« Last Edit: February 19, 2008, 01:26:31 PM by BaldEagl »
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« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2008, 02:42:04 PM »
OK, here's where I am right now.  I've broken this into three possible phases (you'll see).  I'm still open to comments/revisions.  I've left my own comments under most components.

Phase 1 (the core machine):

COOLER MASTER CAVALIER 3 CAV-T03-UK Black Aluminum / Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
$59.99

I looked at another Cooler Master case but for only $10 less I decided I liked this one better.
   
ABIT IP35 Pro LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard
$174.99

Forgetting about SLI and taking into consideration the advice to stick with the Intel P-35 chipset, I looked at a lot of mobos.  It came down to this or one of two Gigabyte boards and I settled on this (I couldn't find an Asus board that I felt comfortable with).  I'm most open to suggestions in this area.
   
EVGA 320-P2-N811-AR GeForce 8800GTS 320MB 320-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card
$219.99  

Since the new board doesn't have a PCIE x16 2.0 slot, I took the opportunity to save a few bucks here. I checked over the ratings at TomsHardware very closely.  This is a top rated NVidea card behind the one I had originally chosen and the GTX at twice the price and it's an 8800 which I'm pretty set on getting.
     
PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610 EPS12V EPS12V 610W Continuous @ 40°C Power Supply
$119.99  

Plenty of power for today and for any upgrades in the future (see possible phase 3).
   
Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 Conroe 2.66GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80557E6750
$189.99  

I'm pretty well stuck on this proccessor.  From a cost/value perspective Intel seems to have really nailed it.  You get exactly what you pay for with them.
   
G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-2GBNQ
$44.99
 
Inexpensive DDR2800 memory.
   
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3250410AS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
$69.99  

Best cost/value relationship within my needs and price range.
   
Microsoft ZG6-00006 Black PS/2 Wired Standard Keyboard 500
$11.99  
   
Saitek ST290 Joystick
$21.99  

I'm a lefty.
   
Microsoft N71-00007S Black 3 Buttons 1 x Wheel USB Wired Optical Wheel Mouse
$9.99  
   
ASUS 20X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe Black SATA Model DRW-2014L1T
$35.99  
   
Creative Sound Blaster SB0570 Audigy SE 7.1 Channels PCI Interface Sound Card
$29.99  

Settled here because this was Creatives top card until the X-Fi's came out.  It's proven, and now inexpensive and if I do have to switch it out it's only $30.
   
Microsoft Windows XP Home With SP2B 1 Pack
$89.99  

I'm guessing that one day (after some fixes) I will upgrade to Vista (or whatever MS comes out with if they bail on it) and didn't really see any significant benefits to XP Pro that would make a difference to me, but I'm willing to listen to compelling arguments.
   
ALTEC LANSING VS4221 35 Watts 2.1 Speaker
$74.99  

I like to listen to music (sometimes through my PC) and I like Altecs.

Subtotal: $1,154.86



Possible phase 2:


SAMSUNG 226BW Black 22" 2 ms (GTG) DVI Widescreen LCD Monitor
$318.99

Wicked awsome reponse time for an LCD monitor.

Subtotal: $318.99



Possible phase 3:

   
G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-2GBNQ
$44.99

2 more gigs of RAM.
   
MITSUMI Black 1.44MB 3.5" Internal USB 2.0 Internal USB 2.0 digital card reader with Floppy Drive
$18.99

The floppy I got rid of.
   
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3250410AS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
$69.99  

A second storage drive.
   
ASUS Black SATA DVD-ROM Drive Model DVD-E616A3T
$20.99  

A second optical drive.

Subtotal: $154.96
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« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2008, 02:54:00 PM »
If you can get an Audigy 2, they're not that much more expensive, but are supposed to be a better card in regards to software support, digital speakers support, chipset, and some other areas. I have an Audigy1 and found these out while trying to find drivers for my audigy1.

Tip: There aren't any! They're all for audigy 2! But creativelabs.com has an autoupdater featuer much like Windows Update (only, just for sound cards)


Edit: Just doing a quick search, seems they're hard to find. Must be the xifis driving them off the market.


P.S. I'm not seeing any obvious conflicts with the hardware you've selected, for what it's worth.
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« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2008, 05:26:37 PM »
I haven't seen a Audigy 2 for sale in a store (not online) in probably 1-2 years.  It's all X-FI now.

Baldy, as far as that 8800GTS 320mb goes...it's a good card, but the ATI 3870 at about $230 will beat it.  Plus the 3870 has the 10.1 Directx compliant.  This would be the best bang for the buck in this price range.
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« Reply #27 on: February 22, 2008, 12:50:27 AM »
The Geforce 9600GT at $170 is faster than Radeon 3870 making it best bang for buck at the moment.
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« Reply #28 on: February 22, 2008, 01:48:34 AM »
http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/02/21/nvidia_geforce_9600_gt/page20.html

Nvidia's GeForce 9600 GT Tested
Florian Charpentier
February 21, 2008 09:09

Conclusion
The bottom line is that the performance of this GeForce 9600 GT came as a pleasant surprise. Despite the chip having only 64 stream processors, 38% lower processing power, and 33% fewer transistors, gaming performance was only 12% below the 8800 GT on average. And it was even better than the 8800 GT 256 MB, by an amount ranging from 1% without antialiasing, up to 45% with it enabled. The 8800 GT 256 MB is greatly hampered by its 256 MB of memory, and these results mean that it is really no longer even worth considering! Meaning that it was an extremely good choice to put 512 MB of memory on the 9600 GT, even if that doesn't account for everything, since the 8800 GT has the same amount.

The upshot is that the 9600 GT puts Nvidia in a much more favorable position to compete with AMD. First, the HD 3850 is beaten hands down performance-wise, since even compared to its 512 MB version (which can be found on sale at 165-170 €, the expected MSRP for the 9600 GT), performance was approximately 15% better. Only the 256 MB version still has no competition, given its 140 € price point.

As for the HD 3870, currently available starting at 180 €, we can only recommend it to people who don't use antialiasing - with that restriction, its performance remains better than the 9600 GT's (by 5%). Once antialiasing is enabled, the performance spread is the same, but this time in favor of the 9600 GT, due to AMD's uncorrected ROPs. But in any event, we can only congratulate Nvidia on the quality of the 9600 GT's performance, especially considering that it has close to 2.5 times less raw power than the HD 3870! So the GeForce 9600 GT currently has more arguments in its favor than the HD 3870 - but keeping in mind the aggressive pricing policy that AMD is capable of wielding, that situation could evolve down the road.

As proof of that last statement, AMD called us less than 24 hours before the end of this test to announce a sudden and significant drop in the price of its Radeon HD 3000 series. In the US, the MSRP of the HD 3870 will go from $245 to $189, and the HD 3850 512 MB from $199 to $169! That will again put AMD on top where price is concerned, compared to Nvidia's offering.[/b]

For now we have to see how Nvidia will react to the news... It's an unending war and it's hard to stay on top of. But in this particular battle there's no doubt who the winner is: the consumer!

Nvidia GeForce 9600 GT
This card is a valid replacement for the GeForce 8800 GT 256 MB, and is the best low-cost solution for gamers who play with antialiasing enabled. Without the filters enabled, its performance drops behind the HD 3870 (while still staying ahead of the HD 3850s), but its price is expected to be slightly lower than that of the AMD card.

Pros

Performance/price ratio
The best card in its price range for performance with antialiasing enabled
Reduced power consumption and noise
Cons

Performance below that of the HD 3870 without filters
Not really any more a "GeForce 9" card than the 8800 GTs
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« Reply #29 on: March 17, 2008, 12:00:27 PM »
Well, a month after posting this I went ahead and ordered my new system last night.  The basic system ended up slightly over my original budget and then, I figured that as long as I was going for it I'd add a new LCD monitor too (and I just got a raise at work :) ).  Here's what I ended up with:

Cooler Master Cavalier Case
EVGA NVIDEA 780i Motherboard (expensive but great reviews and I wanted the PCIe x16 2.0 slots)
Intel Core 2 Duo 2.66 Gb CPU
EVGA 512 mb 8800 GTS GPU (upgraded from 8800 GT for a little more power and the cooling exhaust port)
Kingston 2 Gb High Performance Gaming DDRAM
Seagate Barracuda 250 Gb 7200 RPM/16 mb cache SATA HD
ASUS DVD-RW
Creative X-Fi Gamer Fatality Soundcard (upgraded for the gameport for my MS Sidewinder 3D Pro)
PC Power & Cooling 750W PSU
Windows XP Pro (Thanks for the recommendations and comments on this)
LG 22" Widescreen LCD Monitor (2ms response/3000 contrast)
Klipsch Promedia Speakers (sorry Krusty but I have to have good sound)

Plus, I was digging around last night and discovered I have 13Gb, 60Gb, 120Gb, 160Gb and 200Gb ATA HD's at home (the 160 and 200 are in my current machine but Win98 Disc Defrag will only recognize 120 Gb so they are bigger than I thought they were).  I'm going to do some swapping and get the 160 and the 200 in the new machine as storage (for 610 Gb total) and put the 60 and the 120 in the old machine.

Thanks again to everyone for all the comments and suggestions.  Even if I didn't take them all, I did carefully consider all of them.
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