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« on: February 16, 2008, 03:19:20 PM »
ok....i was re-watching a couple films as i was going through my library to delete some......and i watched a couple in which i got the white YOU HAVE COLLIDED WITH XX message, and some wiht the orange XX HAS COLLIDED WITH YOU.
 in a couple of them, we BOTH went down missing parts..and when i had asked about this in the forums before, it was stated that he was probably firing.............but guess what? he wasn't.........so what i'm thinking now, is that this model is actually perfect.......in a colision of that type, in reality, both combatents would be going down...and that is how it happened here.....so i would venture that Hitech did it very well....although it still scuks when ya go down for someone elses mistake..as it must be the same for him to go down for mine........anyway, just thought i'd mention this....
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« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2008, 03:27:13 PM »
Never in this game anyone has taken damage from a collision not happening on his FE. Never.
Oh, many people claimed that for years. But strange enough no one has posted any film yet.
Why not? Because it actually doesn't happen.
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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2008, 05:26:25 PM »
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Never in this game anyone has taken damage from a collision not happening on his FE. Never.
Oh, many people claimed that for years. But strange enough no one has posted any film yet.
Why not? Because it actually doesn't happen.


yea....i understand that lusche.......what i'm getting at is that most say lag has something to do with it..and it's true.........if both of our machines saw it, then we both go down....which means both of our machines had to have had about the same connection speed to the servers.....i think........
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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2008, 05:34:45 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2008, 05:36:09 PM »
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[Bwhich means both of our machines had to have had about the same connection speed to the servers.....i think........ [/B]


The server has nothing to do with collisions whatsoever. The lag is always your and your enemy's lag combined. The server is just relaying the data between you two.
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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2008, 06:01:55 PM »
Post the film, i need a good laugh.
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« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2008, 09:27:01 PM »
I don't think the problem is so much that that there are collisions as much as the issue that one plane will often fly away with an oil hit (WTF?) or broken gun while you spiral to the ground with your empanage gone. If both FEs see a collision both pilots should end up in the tower IMHO. If one FE sees the collision and the other doesn't, only the one player goes to the tower. The only exception to this rule should be bombers vs a fighter where the bomber may take damage but the smaller fighter goes to the tower.
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« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2008, 01:24:58 AM »
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I don't think the problem is so much that that there are collisions as much as the issue that one plane will often fly away with an oil hit (WTF?) or broken gun while you spiral to the ground with your empanage gone. If both FEs see a collision both pilots should end up in the tower IMHO. If one FE sees the collision and the other doesn't, only the one player goes to the tower. The only exception to this rule should be bombers vs a fighter where the bomber may take damage but the smaller fighter goes to the tower.
Not sure how you can say this.  In a RL aircraft collision, both airplanes don't always go down.  Many times one aircraft has only slight damage while the other's is catastrophic.
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« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2008, 03:01:19 AM »
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« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2008, 04:54:09 AM »
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Never in this game anyone has taken damage from a collision not happening on his FE. Never.
Oh, many people claimed that for years. But strange enough no one has posted any film yet.
Why not? Because it actually doesn't happen.

I once collided with a flying saucer, while in my P47 flying in a remote area off the map. I filmed it all, but somehow the .ahf file was corrupted.
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« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2008, 09:26:23 AM »
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I don't think the problem is so much that that there are collisions as much as the issue that one plane will often fly away with an oil hit (WTF?) or broken gun while you spiral to the ground with your empanage gone. If both FEs see a collision both pilots should end up in the tower IMHO. If one FE sees the collision and the other doesn't, only the one player goes to the tower. The only exception to this rule should be bombers vs a fighter where the bomber may take damage but the smaller fighter goes to the tower.


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« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2008, 09:34:07 AM »
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ok....i was re-watching a couple films as i was going through my library to delete some......and i watched a couple in which i got the white YOU HAVE COLLIDED WITH XX message, and some wiht the orange XX HAS COLLIDED WITH YOU.
 in a couple of them, we BOTH went down missing parts..and when i had asked about this in the forums before, it was stated that he was probably firing.............but guess what? he wasn't.........so what i'm thinking now, is that this model is actually perfect.......in a colision of that type, in reality, both combatents would be going down...and that is how it happened here.....so i would venture that Hitech did it very well....although it still scuks when ya go down for someone elses mistake..as it must be the same for him to go down for mine........anyway, just thought i'd mention this....
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Couple things ...

Collisions that are seen on both FEs dont always result in catastrophic damage to both aircraft. Suppose your prop saws through my wing and both computers see it. I should go down with a lost wing, and you should go on without a prop. Now this is just the first example I could come up with quickly, but I think it illustrates the point.

Consider a second collision where again both computers see the collision where the leading edge of your wing collides with my vertical stabilizer. In this case, both planes would go down. One without a wing and one with a damaged or missing vertical stabilizer.

Further, neither collision was your fault, or mine, it was a product of packet latency (assuming neither of us was conciously trying to collide). Thats where alot of the problem comes from, misunderstanding of what is actually happening. It doesnt suck that I go down from someone else's mistake, because in 99% of the cases, its not their mistake, but a fluke of the internet. Why get mad at someone when it wasnt his fault?
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« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2008, 09:52:18 AM »
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« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2008, 11:03:43 AM »
I had a collision notice yesterday but when I went back and watched the film we never touched, not even close.
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« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2008, 11:18:04 AM »
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I had a collision notice yesterday but when I went back and watched the film we never touched, not even close.


Post it please.
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