Kosovo Declares it's independence

[moot]

It looks a lot different from an outsider's perspective. There's a pretty big difference in almost any aspect between Vietnamese and Japanese people, but they both have certain qualities that you just don't find anywhere else outside of eastern-most asia. It doesn't mean the two people are the same for as much...
I could definitely tell a russian from a nordic, and they do have more in common with slavics than nordics like you describe. But that trait I'm talking about really is unique to the high latitudes of eastern europe.
And KgB and Boroda definitely have it.   Like I said, it's like nordic mellow pessimism but x10 and more bitter and antipathetic.

[BlauK]

Originally posted by Nilsen
...we are all humans and dont go to war with eachother (except the fins and swedes

Hmmm... who were those two nations fighting eachother in 1814 ...Norwegians and Swedes?

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by BlauK
Hmmm... who were those two nations fighting eachother in 1814 ...Norwegians and Swedes?

Nobody fought eachother in 1814 actually. IT was a friendly argument

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
According to the Russian Primary Chronicle (ca. 1040-1118 AD), the Rus were a group of "Varangians," possibly of Swedish origin, who had a leader named Rurik. Rus appears to be derived from the Finnish word for Sweden, *Rotsi, later Ruotsi, which in turn comes from Old Swedish rother, a word associated with rowing or ships, so that rothskarlar meant "rowers" or "seamen."

source

And if you go further back then we have Adam and Eve

[BlauK]

Nobody?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_campaign_against_Norway_(1814)

Or were you thinking of 1905, when things went peacefully?

[croduh]

Originally posted by BlauK
Croduh,
what is your opinion about this page: The Invasion of Serbian Krajina ?

I am not taking any sides here, just wondering. The text seems pretty one sided though. The writer is elsewhere portrayed as "model investigative journalist of the anti-imperialist left"

There are so many one sides stories published and on net that it's very hard to conclude what's the real truth.
That article is written shows quite clearly that the writer has taken sides, which destroys the articles credibility.Although he did write many facts he wrote only those who he found suitable to bash Nato and Croatia.
Yes, there was a war crime, but the writer really makes every Croatian as an ustasha and a war criminal, all backed up by Nato and US, which he bashes in his every book.
Too exaggerating, if you ask me, and sometimes very wrong.

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by moot
It looks a lot different from an outsider's perspective. There's a pretty big difference in almost any aspect between Vietnamese and Japanese people, but they both have certain qualities that you just don't find anywhere else outside of eastern-most asia. It doesn't mean the two people are the same for as much...
I could definitely tell a russian from a nordic, and they do have more in common with slavics than nordics like you describe. But that trait I'm talking about really is unique to the high latitudes of eastern europe.
And KgB and Boroda definitely have it.   Like I said, it's like nordic mellow pessimism but x10 and more bitter and antipathetic.

To settle this i will refer to one decisive thing that is so fundamental that it will settle this once and for all.

Russians like to drink vodka straight up from a glass.. Norwegians prefer whisky or cognac. Nuff said

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by BlauK
Nobody?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_campaign_against_Norway_(1814)

Or were you thinking of 1905, when things went peacefully?

Acually you got me there I got my two events mixed up as i dont remeber much from back then

The egg is running from my face

[Elfie]

Originally posted by BlauK
Croduh,
what is your opinion about this page: The Invasion of Serbian Krajina ?

I am not taking any sides here, just wondering. The text seems pretty one sided though. The writer is elsewhere portrayed as "model investigative journalist of the anti-imperialist left"

That's an interesting perspective. It tells of Serbs being forcibly removed from Croatia and yet the other two articles I read spoke of the Serbs being evacuated by their own government. I linked one of them earlier, guess I should have linked both since I can't recall where the other one was.

Assuming this account is true, the Croats have done no worse than the Serbs and Bosnians. All three parties are guilty of war crimes.

[moot]

Originally posted by Nilsen
To settle this i will refer to one decisive thing that is so fundamental that it will settle this once and for all.

Russians like to drink vodka straight up from a glass.. Norwegians prefer whisky or cognac. Nuff said

You mean the Nordics never came up with a spirit of their own?   Looks like Kilju from Finland is the only alcohol that originated from up there.. Akevitt's from Norway but I've never heard of it before now.  How common is it?

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by moot
You mean the Nordics never came up with a spirit of their own?   Looks like Kilju from Finland is the only alcohol that originated from up there.. Akevitt's from Norway but I've never heard of it before now.  How common is it?

Yeah we have made beer and spirits for a loooong time but usually mix it with something (not the beer ofcourse)

Akkevit is norwegian, but usually only consumed during xmas as a traditional shot used to "break up" the fatty foods eaten on xmas eve. Personally i think it tastes like crap and so does most people of my generation and younger. I think the older people are more used to the taste and can tolerate it

My advice is to never try it.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by Nilsen
And if you go further back then we have Adam and Eve

That the Rus were a nordic tribe and nordic peoples are what the people and the country are named for, well... I thought that the term Russian derives from swede in the finnish language was an interesting sidelite.

That the mongols and slavs ruled and populated the country since the norse...  well differing peoples are now immigrating to scandanavia now aren't they.  Perhaps Norway will one day not be nordic.

[BlauK]

Originally posted by moot
You mean the Nordics never came up with a spirit of their own?   Looks like Kilju from Finland is the only alcohol that originated from up there.. Akevitt's from Norway but I've never heard of it before now.  How common is it?

Durned, Moot. Where do you scoop all those bits and pieces about Finns??

I would not consider Kilju an actual drink, maybe if it was further processed into Pontikka (moonshine): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilju
However, there is a Finnish speciality called Sahti: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahti

[Boroda]

Originally posted by croduh
Ok, i just love arguing on the net:D

Me too, so nothing personal, please. I am far from thinking that every Croatian is an "ustash".

Originally posted by croduh
350 000 SERBIAN VICTIMS??
They left on their own, and the number of dead Croatians doubles the number of
dead Serbians.And hello, we are the ones who were attacked.We didn't get military help from anyone.We had to smuggle weapons!
Worst massacres were done by Serbs, on Kosovars, on Bosnians and on Croatians.

Every war crime is terrible, and should be punished but please, Serbia attacked us, let's not forget who the real terrorists are here.

I understand that the Russia was always an ally of Serbia, and i won't comment on Kosovo, since it is not mine or any other Croatians business.

Balkan has always been the starter of world wars, from Alexander the Great, Turks, WW1 (for those who didn't know) etc. etc.

I said 350,000 victims of "deportation", not "dead".

BlauK gave a link on an interesting article, that is outside of media "mainstream".

Look, now the main media concept is that Serbs are the only side responsible for war crimes. How many Croatian generals were brought to Hague for trial?... And they face accusations no less serious then Serbs.

As for Kosovo - total number of casualities  on each side before bombings began was about 200 people. US/NATO killed 10 times more and gave Serbs a reason for a police operation similar to what Croats did in Krajna, but in that case many Kosovars were fleeding because they were killed by "peacekeeping bombings" as well as Serbs.

What we got now: Kosovo, a heart of Serbia (I am not going to educate _you_ on this subject, I bet you can tell the whole story from 1389 and before  better then I) is now ethnically cleansed from natives, without any opposition from KFOR. We have a precedent that sends 1975 Helsinki act down the drain. We have a bunch of irresponsible EU politicians who officially support a Chechen-style gangster enclave in Europe.

Serbs tried to solve a problem that EU will face now, by restoring law and order, acting their part of a "war on terror", but they got bombed instead of support.

EU countries supporting Chechen terrorists, giving them political asylum, supporting so-called "rebels" also tend to recognize Kosovo. This people want to kill me, my family, friends and compatriots. That's a little more then almost non-existent "cultural ties" between Russia and Serbia.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by BlauK
Durned, Moot. Where do you scoop all those bits and pieces about Finns??

I would not consider Kilju an actual drink, maybe if it was further processed into Pontikka (moonshine): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilju
However, there is a Finnish speciality called Sahti: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahti

I understand that it's kinda silly to bring spirits from Finland to Russia, but if you guys come again - please, bring some of that stuff with you

In 2004 I brought a bottle of pepper vodka, next time you'll bring your national booze I think we can call it a cultural exchange