This is What A Police State Looks Like

[Shuffler]

Originally posted by Sikboy
Yeah, did the R-tardress have a point to her very slowly delivered diatribe? She would do well to take a constitutional law class. Though I really doubt that's on her agenda, or in her budget.

-Sik

Perhaps she is delivering her propaganda slowly because the folks she is trying to incite are of the lower IQ and slower thinking bunch. The can't run subtitles as their target audience, for the most part, is probably illiterate.

[lazs2]

The lady sounds high on pot..   the hero guy is wearing a t shirt when everyone else is wearing coats and/or rain gear.   Any cop will tell you that the guy half dressed is the one who is loaded.  

I would bet that the cops started talking to the guy and realized he was high as hell.  

I think it has been noted that the same people show up at every protest.. no matter what it is about.  

This is not worth me getting shook up about.. the cops have every right to film events like that.   I don't think any of us would like it if we were not allowed to film the cops?

lazs

[Tango]

What I find odd is if the Police are using these tapes to secretly tape the ringleaders, how did she get ahold of them.

Bunch of wacko libs

[Rich46yo]

Originally posted by Tango
What I find odd is if the Police are using these tapes to secretly tape the ringleaders, how did she get ahold of them.

Bunch of wacko libs

                      The Police probably gave them to her. Or her little group of whackouts. The reason we tape it is the same reason we have cameras taping traffic stops. To protect ourselves!

                     And it wasnt all that secret. Normally in these kinds of marches, at least the ones that turn violent, there is that small cadre of screwballs that will start trouble in order to get media time and fame in furtherance of their little manifesto.

                   Portland Police compared to the Russian Police?

                   Thats right up there with saying History is Littered with Democracies turning into Fascist states.  Some of you guys must be from Oregon. You just crack me up.

[cpxxx]

Basically the police everywhere are a little bit fascist. It's inherent in the nature of the job they do. Even in America. That's why in democratic countries they are restricted in what they can and cannot do.

The video is essentially an attempt to portray the police in that light and link it to a wider perception that America is heading down the road to fascism. In fact, it just demonstrates the actions of a single police force on a single day.  

But it is a warning that freedom of speech applies to everyone whether you like the message or not. Labelling people as 'unpatriotic' and then suppressing their protest is fascism. In fact, a common left wing tactic is to provoke exactly that sort of response.  

Better not to play into their hands.

[Gunthr]

Sorry, I couldn't read all the posts...

Just want to say that the clip was done in the form of propaganda.

Many people who legally and peacefully demonstrate are infiltrated by those who feel it is justified to break the law with the intention of precipitating a reaction from the police in the hopes that there will be usable film to magnify their efforts.  They don't care about collateral injuries to peaceful people, even though collateral injuries are foreseeable when they start tossing things at police or otherwise violate the restrictions of their permit to assemble.  And they know it.

The lack of film showing any police brutality is prima facie evidence that it didn't occur, and the premise that police photography capturing details of front line demonstrators, most frequently unlawful agitators who intentionally bring grief to lawful demonstrators for effect, is for "nazi surveillance' to later track down "enemies of the state" - is bogus.   It is part of the anarchist's propaganda.

The girl narrator did sound sexy tho.

[Gunthr]

note:  the reason I say that the lack of film showing anything other than lawful acts on the part of police is prima fascie evidence is because there are so many cameras running at these things anymore, you can BET that whatever film exists against "nazi fascist police" will be shown, and the lawsuits would certainly fly.

Apparently, there were  none - only this pathetic cannabis stoked production...

[Gunthr]

Further, the same anarchist groups - outsiders who were not from Portland - also  showed up in Miami for the FTAA demonstration.  

Again in Miami, they were outsiders who intentionally violated the law and the  restrictions of their permits to assemble.  They intentionally endangered every-day people who were law abiding.  Their intent was to stir up as much ***** as possible.

They violated there permits.  And they were promptly out-manuvered and handed their heads by magnificently trained officers from a regional task force.  These anarchists didn't stand a chance.  

With all the film that was rolling from both sides, and all the hot wind and liberal press and wildly leftist lawyers in attendance and associated with this event, the anarchists fell flat on their faces.  No cops were disciplined.  No cops were fired.  No cops were sued successfully.  The anarchists were funneled to take-down zones, and efficiently neutralized.  (take a number, jerk)   Their sophomoric, bird-flipping agitation only hurt the cause that they were allegedly supporting.  If you want to call anarchy a cause.

[Yeager]

does sundowner believe he lives in a fascist, nazi nation?

[Elfie]

Video is very easily edited as is the audio. I guess that never occurred to you Elfie.

Of course it is.

Yet....if you were very observant at all you would have seen the streets were clean in all camera shots, all of them.....no one is throwing stuff at the officers. If they were, you would see at least some of the trash in the streets or on the sidewalks but there is none of that.

[Gunthr]

Elfie, the seduction of propaganda films is all in the omissions.

You do not see the lawful, signed contract for permit to assemble along with the limitations on location, times, or the fact that it is illegal to wear masks in public.  You do not even see all the film that was shot.
 
All you see is what they (anarchists) want you to see, which they freely obtained from the "nazi fascist" police department under the freedom of information act.  They didn't need an attorney.  All they had to do is ask for it.

And all of these groups begin by disobeying one of the limits on their right to assemble....  such as location.  Or agreed time limits, etc.  Then, when the police are called to enforce it, they hope to incite others to a newsworthy event.  This is against the law.

Fortunately,  police in major cities these days are trained very well for this.  They are disciplined.  They are really the best people you could know.  

An anarchist could be jumping up and down waving a Molotov cocktail next to your grandma in a wheelchair who is expressing her right to dissent.  Nine times out of ten, the anarchist is going to be hit with multiple non-lethal rounds that will take the pee right out of him.  One time out of ten, your grandma is going to take a rubber round because she is right next to your out of state anarchist, waving her flag.  

My suggestion is that you inform your grandma what I just informed you about... be careful who you position yourself next to.  If you don't know them, or you think they might be out of state - they are not necessarily your friends.  That is why they wear the masks.  Don't be a victim.

Sundowner's clip is not news.  Its chum for discussion.  I hope.  America has more safeguards on freedom of expression than any other place I know.... but I've never been to Europe....

[Rich46yo]

Originally posted by Elfie
Of course it is.

Yet....if you were very observant at all you would have seen the streets were clean in all camera shots, all of them.....no one is throwing stuff at the officers. If they were, you would see at least some of the trash in the streets or on the sidewalks but there is none of that.

Oh brother. How do you  respond to something like this?

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Yeager
your points are well taken fishu.  65 million gun owners are a formidble "guerrilla" force

Seemed to work out rather well in the late 1700s as well

[indy007]

Am I the only one that sees the irony here? Opening lines are about a policeman filming them and getting peoples pictures...

So the film director decided to film the protests and put everybody in its picture on the internet for the whole world to see?

Wow.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Rich46yo
The flagburners who put this together clearly had an agenda and no doubt showing criminal actions of Protesters wasnt high on their list.:

Ok so show us some footage of some of their criminal actions.

I dont remember the media showing any. I only remember them saying there was a bottle thrown.
I dont remember ever seeing any footage of it in spite of all the coverage it was getting.
One would think someone would have footage of such an act.

And since when does the act of a single bottle being thrown.
justify pepperspraying an entire group of people?

I didnt perticularly like the protesters or agree with what they were protesting.
But the fact of the matter remains.
They have the right to speak out and protest. Even if we dont agree with what they are protesting.

Cant have that right if its only going to be for the things we agree with