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Offline RATTFINK

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« on: February 19, 2008, 12:14:42 AM »
How about some opposition?  I have talked w/ some Axis and it seems most of the guys from the previous AvA tour have decided to sit this one out?








Check the map, yall have some catching up to do.  And no hording in the wee hours.


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« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2008, 12:15:13 AM »
eh. Were on lunch break, catch us in the ETO :D .

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« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2008, 12:18:58 AM »
See...they dweebs!!

They refuse to fly anything without 20 or 30mm cannons and has the numbers 109/190/262s...


See, they know we have the upper hand in this map...

So they went running with their tails between their legs!!
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« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2008, 12:28:04 AM »
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See...they dweebs!!

They refuse to fly anything without 20 or 30mm cannons and has the numbers 109/190/262s...


See, they know we have the upper hand in this map...

So they went running with their tails between their legs!!




Some of us dont like how the settings are in the allies favor this week. If they were set to normal it would be a different story, but its not.
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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2008, 12:34:46 AM »
Oh and what settings are different??  No pnzers?? No 109/190s??
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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2008, 12:41:31 AM »
CV Hardness 40-45,000lbs.
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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2008, 12:42:31 AM »
The PTO just doesn't have the draw as the ETO...

I personally can't stand the jap birds, but will be in there trying to learn how to fly those darn things.


I'll be the one on fire...or with one wing...or the one without a vertical stab.

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« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2008, 12:59:03 AM »
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CV Hardness 40-45,000lbs.



Your CVs are just as hard, and we have no problem sinking them.


CVs were not easily sunk in the PTO.   So its historically accurate....
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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2008, 01:35:40 AM »
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Your CVs are just as hard, and we have no problem sinking them.


CVs were not easily sunk in the PTO.   So its historically accurate....



We only have ONE CV, and no I bet it wasnt very hard to sink it with the allied plane set you guys have.

CVs not easily sunk wow you might wanna read up on your history. Did you ever hear of the Battle of Leyte Gulf or Midway?
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« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2008, 02:29:17 AM »
Battle of Leyte Gulf....

Number of US ships sunk
6
1 Light Aircraft Carrier
2 Escort Carriers
2 Destroyers
1 Escort Destroyer

Number of US Ships sunk from Kamikaze
5

the 6th one was sunk by a luck shot from a Japanese Dive bomber....

Moreover, while they were preparing their first strikes against Kurita's force the northernmost of the three carrier groups - Sherman's - came under heavy air attack from aircraft based on Luzon.  Three separate raids,  each of50-60 aircraft,  were repelled - with very heavy losses - by Sherman's fighters and AA fire, but one Japanese dive-bomber got through and hit the light carrier Princeton with a bomb which started fires.  Later there was a hugeexplosion in her torpedo stowage which meant that she had to be abandoned.   The explosion also damaged the cruiser Birmingham, which was alongside the carrier giving assistance. Terrible casualties were inflicted aboard the cruiser.

Source: Battle of Leyte Gulf

Battle of Midway...

Number of US Ships sunk
1 Aircraft Carrier "USS Yorktown"
Took 2 direct bomb hits and 2 direct Torpedo hits but was still not sunk by Japanese.  Followed later by 3 more torpedos by I-168.

1 Destroyer

Source:Battle of Midway


I do know my history sir, perhaps you need to look into your history a bit more.  More American ships were damaged/sunk in the PTO because of Kamakazi then of high alt/dive bombing torpedo attacks.
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« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2008, 02:41:04 AM »
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We only have ONE CV, and no I bet it wasnt very hard to sink it with the allied plane set you guys have.

CVs not easily sunk wow you might wanna read up on your history. Did you ever hear of the Battle of Leyte Gulf or Midway?


Yeah you might have one CV but you HAD an entire island with a great many air bases.  With coordination and planning, it would be very easy to sink a carrier.  If the settings were turned down on CV hardness, you would have another "Operation Downfall" the single worse Scenario in AH history were 3 KI-61s could sink a carrier with 2 250kg bombs each.  Our CV hardness was set at around 3000 while Hangers were at 6000.  Now how does that work??  A ship is sunk easier then a Large piece of Steel?? 10 of our carriers were destroyed the first day alone.  That left us with around 3 carriers for the next 3 frames, while the Japanese still had every single fighter hanger up on mainland Japan.  For both sides, it was no fun at all, the Japanese didn't think it was far that we received carriers back because of the mess up on the setting, and we didn't believe it was right that the hanger settings were harder then the carriers were.  Basically if the CMs didnt give us carriers back, the Scenario would have lasted only 20 min into the 2nd frame as all US carriers would have been sunk!  There were some other issues that also made sinking a carrier much much easier!!


If you want CV hardness turned down, then i suggest that hanger hardness be dropped to 500lbs.  Because in reality, a single 500lbs bomb could completely destroy a hanger......
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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2008, 02:42:07 AM »
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CV Hardness 40-45,000lbs.



Might want to check that, that seems a little too high.

If its true, then i suggest it be brought down to around 10k or so....
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« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2008, 02:53:53 AM »
That wasnt the point. You said carriers wernt easily sunk in the PTO. Read up, most carrers sunk by bombs were only hit with a few, and kamikazes were just maned bombs. Granted that most of the time ord. or fuel produced secondary explosions but 45K of ord, come on.

Did you read how big a bomb hit USS Princeton? It was a 250kg.



Beginning at 10:22, Enterprise’s aircraft attacked Kaga, while to the south, Yorktown’s aircraft attacked carrier Sôryû, with Akagi being struck by several of Enterprise's bombers four minutes later. Simultaneously, VT-3 was targeting Hiryû, although the American torpedo aircraft again scored no hits. The dive-bombers, however, had better fortune. Within six minutes, the SBD dive bombers made their attack runs and left all three of their targets heavily ablaze. Akagi was hit by just one bomb, which was sufficient; it penetrated to the upper hangar deck and exploded among the armed and fueled aircraft there. One extremely near miss also slanted in and exploded underwater, bending the flight deck upward with the resulting geyser and causing crucial rudder damage. Sôryû took three bomb hits in the hangar decks; Kaga took at least four, possibly more. All three carriers were out of action and would eventually be abandoned and scuttled
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« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2008, 02:57:34 AM »
Ive stated already the CV hardness needs to be brought down.  I completely agree with you that 40-45k is ridiculous.  But the Princeton was sunk because of secondary explosions because of all the fuel/ord inside her.  

However in AH, we do not have those things in our carriers, so upping the CV hardness makes up for it.

But again, current hardness is far too much!!
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I don't care for japanese plane sets, thanks just the same
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2008, 06:30:55 AM »
I logged on over the weekend for a bit but chasing ponies into the ack is no fun so I'll stay in the MA until there are german aircraft available.  this set if far too unbalanced for my taste.