Author Topic: Police taking DNA samples at traffic stops (Read 1468 times)

Eagler · « **Reply #15 on:** February 22, 2008, 08:44:47 AM »

another case of chairboy paranoia IMO

Chairboy · « **Reply #16 on:** February 22, 2008, 09:18:28 AM »

Eagler, you would consent to a random DNA collection? You're comfortable that the information wouldn't be stored and used in the future, and that it would never come into the possession of other entities like insurance companies and be used to deny you coverage based on hereditary illnesses? Are you certain it could never be used for identity theft?

DNA is intensely personal. Those swabs contain an entire genetic blueprint for you. Why would you willingly make it easy for that blueprint to be used against you at some point in the near future where that becomes practical?

I feel that looking beyond the next 5 minutes is the responsibility of every citizen. Understanding how technology progresses and recognizing that sometimes it goes in directions that aren't obvious. I may have no long term defense against this type of intrusion, but I'll be damned if I'll volunteer it and make it easy.

If they present a warrant, I'll participate, but this is (constitutionally speaking) no different than bringing in groups of random people for interrogation because maybe they committed a crime somewhere, sometime.

justguess · « **Reply #17 on:** February 22, 2008, 10:08:00 AM »

I'm with chairboy on this one

RedDg · « **Reply #18 on:** February 22, 2008, 10:15:03 AM »

How long until there are penalties for saying no to testing? Like saying no to a breathalizer?

Maverick · « **Reply #19 on:** February 22, 2008, 10:51:03 AM »

My answer to this one is simple. No. Unless I am under arrest I will be leaving as soon as the citation is written and signed. If the authorities want a DNA sample it will require a court order (warrant) and I will have my attorney present during the collection to make sure the warrant is correct, then I will also challenge the warrant in court.

Red dog,

You really need to catch up with the 20th century. You need to look up implied consent in regards to DUI's. You may get a real surprise there as there are already penalties for not taking a breathalyzer or blood test.

VonMessa · « **Reply #20 on:** February 22, 2008, 11:12:45 AM »

The last time a cop asked me "Breath, blood, or urine" I said "No thanks, I'm full"

He wasn't amused......

He gave me a written warning for having a taillight out. I was supposed to get the light fixed, have the warning signed by a licensed inspection mechanic and return it to the police station in 7 days. He then said I could go. So while he was finishing his paperwork I reached in my glove box, got a spare bulb, replaced the burned out one, signed the warning and gave it back to the cop. He informed me that I needed to have it signed by a LICENSED inspection mechanic. So I pulled out my PA State inspection license and showed it to him.

He was even less amused by that.............

myelo · « **Reply #21 on:** February 22, 2008, 11:21:39 AM »

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Originally posted by Maverick
You really need to catch up with the 20th century. You need to look up implied consent in regards to DUI's. You may get a real surprise there as there are already penalties for not taking a breathalyzer or blood test.

I think he was saying, "How long until there are penalties for not submitting to a DNA test just like there are penalties now for not submitting to an ethanol test."

RedDg · « **Reply #22 on:** February 22, 2008, 11:36:41 AM »

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Originally posted by Maverick
My answer to this one is simple. No. Unless I am under arrest I will be leaving as soon as the citation is written and signed. If the authorities want a DNA sample it will require a court order (warrant) and I will have my attorney present during the collection to make sure the warrant is correct, then I will also challenge the warrant in court.

Red dog,

You really need to catch up with the 20th century. You need to look up implied consent in regards to DUI's. You may get a real surprise there as there are already penalties for not taking a breathalyzer or blood test.

Mav,

I didn't make my post clear enough. I know there are penalties for refusing a breathalyzer when pulled over. I was wondering how long before it will be before the same thing will happen if you refuse a DNA test in the same situation.

It reminds me of all the times in the Air Force where I was filling out paperwork for many of the services provided on base. They would always stress that providing your SS# was completely voluntary. but if you didn't, service would be delayed or possibly refused.

I guess it was just an observation on one more Big Brother tactic that's coming down to make us "safer". Just IMO of course.

ZetaNine · « **Reply #23 on:** February 22, 2008, 11:58:56 AM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
Eagler, you would consent to a random DNA collection? You're comfortable that the information wouldn't be stored and used in the future, and that it would never come into the possession of other entities like insurance companies and be used to deny you coverage based on hereditary illnesses? Are you certain it could never be used for identity theft?

if they want it that bad...they don't have to ask you for it...just follow you to a restaurant. the fact is....we leave our DNA all over the place......

save the drama for your mama

john9001 · « **Reply #24 on:** February 22, 2008, 12:03:23 PM »

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Originally posted by Maverick
My answer to this one is simple. No. Unless I am under arrest I will be leaving as soon as the citation is written and signed. If the authorities want a DNA sample it will require a court order (warrant) and I will have my attorney present during the collection to make sure the warrant is correct, then I will also challenge the warrant in court.

the cops would just taz you bro. you would be obstructing a police officer in the performance of their duties, or some other catch all law.

Xargos · « **Reply #25 on:** February 22, 2008, 12:18:58 PM »

It's not often I agree with Chairboy, but he it right on this one.

myelo · « **Reply #26 on:** February 22, 2008, 12:44:24 PM »

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Originally posted by ZetaNine
if they want it that bad...they don't have to ask you for it...just follow you to a restaurant. the fact is....we leave our DNA all over the place......

Well I've heard of PeeWee Herman in the movie theater, but dang, a restaurant?

Eagler · « **Reply #27 on:** February 22, 2008, 01:02:04 PM »

and if this prevents another murder/rape, you are still against it?

unless you have something to hide, I'd be more concerned with online identity theft

are you against state run health care too? think they'll have more than just your dna if the ho or bro wins out

Maverick · « **Reply #28 on:** February 22, 2008, 01:06:29 PM »

Myelo and Red Dog,

Gotcha, The coffee hadn't kicked in all the way when I was online earlier. My bad, sorry.

Chairboy · « **Reply #29 on:** February 22, 2008, 02:33:39 PM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
and if this prevents another murder/rape, you are still against it?

unless you have something to hide, I'd be more concerned with online identity theft

are you against state run health care too? think they'll have more than just your dna if the ho or bro wins out

Eagler, tens of thousands of people die every year because of drunk driving accidents. Would you permit a breathalyzer to be installed in your car to prevent you from driving drunk?

Think of all the domestic violence cases, mostly battered women. If cameras were installed in every house, they would undoubtedly prevent some of these horrific child abuse and wife beatings. If it prevents EVEN ONE of these, certainly you wouldn't object to having them in your home. You don't have something to hide, do you?