Author Topic: Police taking DNA samples at traffic stops (Read 1469 times)

Chairboy · « **on:** February 21, 2008, 08:06:11 PM »

Florida, what the hell is going on?

http://www.local6.com/news/15232197/detail.html?related

Clearly a violation of the 4th amendment. What do they do when you say "no thanks"?

Airscrew · « **Reply #1 on:** February 21, 2008, 08:14:12 PM »

I dont think its a problem as long as they inform them of their rights and it's voluntary. And any DNA evidence they collect is used only for the purpose of finding this serial killer, if its not a match it needs to be destroyed not saved for future uses or a "DNA database". But If there is even a hint of corersion though I suspect that if they do find a match it could get thrown out of court, and you can bet that some lawyer could make an argument for corersion just in the fact that it was a traffic stop or a prostution sting.

I think they're wasting their time though, if its voluntary and the serial killer refuses to give a sample then, whatever,...they just missed him... and if its not voluntary, well they just went out of bounds and the games over

Rich46yo · « **Reply #2 on:** February 21, 2008, 08:39:07 PM »

Its says "persons of interest". It all depends on the stink raised by the community over it. Clearly the Police cant go around grabbing DNA for no reason.

"Persons of interest" usually means a known person that the Police are looking for. Here it sounds like they are collecting DNA based on a generic description, which probably wouldnt stand up as Constitutional. But due to the severity of the crime, and knowing Floridians, I'll bet the Police just dont care. Nor does the community.

I'll leave it to the Lawyers and Liberals to be "shocked and outraged". I just want them to catch the guy.

Airscrew · « **Reply #3 on:** February 21, 2008, 08:44:09 PM »

Of course if its just "persons of interest" then is taking a DNA swap any different than fingerprints? What if all they had was a couple of fingerprints and nothing to match it to. Everybody they stopped or picked up someone on a felony stop, or pickup during crime stings, parole violations, arrest warrants, they would fingerprint them and look for a match... I think DNA is the new fingerprint...

Flit · « **Reply #4 on:** February 21, 2008, 10:10:24 PM »

Like Nancy Reagan says- Just Say No

Chairboy · « **Reply #5 on:** February 21, 2008, 10:53:36 PM »

The description they're working off of is "a clean cut guy". That's it.

What's happening to the samples when they're done? There's no suggestion that the information is destroyed, it's far more likely that it's held onto. Let's go nuts and say this isn't a big deal right now with technology where it's at, but it's just a matter of years before large scale genetic scanning is possible and the storehouses of valuable biometric evidence can be processed into the system.

Rich46yo, the enthusiasm with which you volunteer throwing away the 4th amendment rights fought for by generations of soldiers is fascinating and, of course, your choice. I won't disrespect their sacrifices with this type of casual disregard for constitutionally defined freedom. I think this type of fishing expedition is wrong.

SirLoin · « **Reply #6 on:** February 22, 2008, 03:21:24 AM »

If it's voluntary..so what?

Elfie · « **Reply #7 on:** February 22, 2008, 04:28:50 AM »

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Originally posted by SirLoin
If it's voluntary..so what?

If it actually is voluntary, then I agree, so what? However, the article makes no mention of whether it is voluntary or not. If it isn't voluntary, then I think that's an entirely different matter.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 22, 2008, 04:38:52 AM »

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Originally posted by SirLoin
If it's voluntary..so what?

If it was voluntary and person or persons wished to have their DNA taken they could go down to HQ and request it.
"Person of interest" can cover anyone and everyone.
Another "chip" in personal freedom.
DNA testing and database storing is still so young I am just waiting for the big outbreak of DNA mistakes, contamination of DNA, etc.
It is sure to come.

SIG220 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 22, 2008, 05:43:27 AM »

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Originally posted by Rich46yo
Its says "persons of interest". It all depends on the stink raised by the community over it. Clearly the Police cant go around grabbing DNA for no reason.

"Persons of interest" usually means a known person that the Police are looking for. Here it sounds like they are collecting DNA based on a generic description, which probably wouldnt stand up as Constitutional. But due to the severity of the crime, and knowing Floridians, I'll bet the Police just dont care. Nor does the community.

I'll leave it to the Lawyers and Liberals to be "shocked and outraged". I just want them to catch the guy.

Except the article says that the persons of interest are men who are married or have a girlfriend.

They are going to have to swab a lot of men!!

THE ACLU will jump on this for sure. And when the first black man gets swabbed, the NCAA as well.

Rich46yo · « **Reply #10 on:** February 22, 2008, 05:58:46 AM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
The description they're working off of is "a clean cut guy". That's it.

What's happening to the samples when they're done? There's no suggestion that the information is destroyed, it's far more likely that it's held onto. Let's go nuts and say this isn't a big deal right now with technology where it's at, but it's just a matter of years before large scale genetic scanning is possible and the storehouses of valuable biometric evidence can be processed into the system.

Rich46yo, the enthusiasm with which you volunteer throwing away the 4th amendment rights fought for by generations of soldiers is fascinating and, of course, your choice. I won't disrespect their sacrifices with this type of casual disregard for constitutionally defined freedom. I think this type of fishing expedition is wrong.

I aint throwing nothing away, and once was one of those soldiers. I have no power over any of this, aint participating in it, and am only talking about it in a cartoon flight game forum.

You need to go down to Florida and talk high and mighty. Dont bother me with it.

Engine · « **Reply #11 on:** February 22, 2008, 06:51:55 AM »

How dare you disrespect the O'Club, sir!

VonMessa · « **Reply #12 on:** February 22, 2008, 07:56:23 AM »

DNA, huh? Taken by police? I'm sure that they are fully trained in the sterile, and non-contaminating methods of harvesting.

Day by day, our 4th amendment rights get pissed upon.. I'm sure that this is the future, albeit, the "new" fingerprint, but I'm glad I don't live in Florida. I'm also glad that I live in a Commonwealth and not a true "State".

Its bad enough that the health history of everyone in the states is on file somewhere. More reasons for the insurance companies to deny claims or coverage if they can tell what your health history is, or what it may be pan out to be from clues in your genetic code.

Everyones DNA on file, huh? Imagine the implications.

myelo · « **Reply #13 on:** February 22, 2008, 08:36:03 AM »

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Originally posted by SIG220
THE ACLU will jump on this for sure. And when the first black man gets swabbed, the NCAA as well.

Not all student athletes are African-Americans you know.

Airscrew · « **Reply #14 on:** February 22, 2008, 08:37:19 AM »

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Originally posted by SIG220
THE ACLU will jump on this for sure. And when the first black man gets swabbed, the NCAA as well.

Or the NAACP, but then there is basketball... so NCAA could have a dog in this fight....

Hi Myelo