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Offline Xasthur

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« Reply #30 on: February 24, 2008, 10:25:14 PM »
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Can you say Indonesia?


Indeed.

We've been America's lap-dog for long enough, I think we qualify for a little preferential treatement.

Our airforce needs all the help we can get. We still have F-111s FFS :rofl

If it comes to a confrontation with Indonesia their army has the strength on us. We need overwhelming strength of technology to make up for that.
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« Reply #31 on: February 24, 2008, 10:46:05 PM »
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Indeed.

We've been America's lap-dog for long enough, I think we qualify for a little preferential treatement.

Our airforce needs all the help we can get. We still have F-111s FFS :rofl

If it comes to a confrontation with Indonesia their army has the strength on us. We need overwhelming strength of technology to make up for that.


are brown people @ north really flooding in to your country?
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« Reply #32 on: February 24, 2008, 11:43:58 PM »
Aussies should get the f22. im sure well be getting some as well.
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« Reply #33 on: February 25, 2008, 12:45:44 AM »
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are brown people @ north really flooding in to your country?

No but that's not for lack of trying.  Think of Indonesia as our Mexico, we've just had a little more of a geographic advantage over the USA in that regard but we still have a hell of a lot of illegal Indonesian immigrants in this country.
China would absolutely love to see Australia as an Indonesian annexe, then they'll be free to rape our resources to their hearts' content.
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« Reply #34 on: February 25, 2008, 12:58:07 AM »
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Seriously, no one should be this sold on the F-22 yet.  I guess you forgot that the Swedish Gripen recently waxed the F-22 21-0 in dogfights over Alaska.  The Gripen didn't lose a single aircraft, in combat or in operational readiness.  You'll say it's just practice...but you practice how you play, when it comes to playing war.

I'm not sold on the F-22 being so rock solid.  A generation 4.5 aircraft beat out the generation 5 F-22.  So, it's either the aircraft or the training...which do you want to fix it on?
Utterly untrue.
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« Reply #35 on: February 25, 2008, 12:59:17 AM »
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No but that's not for lack of trying.  Think of Indonesia as our Mexico, we've just had a little more of a geographic advantage over the USA in that regard but we still have a hell of a lot of illegal Indonesian immigrants in this country.
China would absolutely love to see Australia as an Indonesian annexe, then they'll be free to rape our resources to their hearts' content.
More reasons to get off this rock.
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« Reply #36 on: February 25, 2008, 02:26:12 AM »
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No but that's not for lack of trying.  Think of Indonesia as our Mexico, we've just had a little more of a geographic advantage over the USA in that regard but we still have a hell of a lot of illegal Indonesian immigrants in this country.
China would absolutely love to see Australia as an Indonesian annexe, then they'll be free to rape our resources to their hearts' content.


Not to disparage the quest for the F22, but in fighting off an indonesian / muslim attack force, I don't think that stealth or lack of stealth technology is going to make or break it.
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« Reply #37 on: February 25, 2008, 02:38:34 AM »
The post you're quoting is actually in response to the question about the number of illegal Indonesian immigrants. I do however see your point. If an invasion was to occur it would most likely start as low level incursions. By the time it escalated from low level operations into a shooting war things will be different. The F22 could most certainly play a decisive role in maintaining air superiority over the Indonesian air force once the shooting starts. By then we will likely also have an invasion force infiltrated in our top end.
We do have an advantage in this department since the inhospitality of the terrain  is one of our best defences.
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« Reply #38 on: February 25, 2008, 05:41:28 AM »
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Originally posted by Xasthur
Indeed.

We've been America's lap-dog for long enough, I think we qualify for a little preferential treatement.

Our airforce needs all the help we can get. We still have F-111s FFS :rofl

If it comes to a confrontation with Indonesia their army has the strength on us. We need overwhelming strength of technology to make up for that.


                   Oh here we go. The "Waaafest". This is why I avoid this topic in my defense forums because I cant stand hearing our friends down under describe themselves as our lapdogs in a pityparty.

                  Truth is there is a huge list of systems we never sold to anybody. Australia already buys some of our most sensitive systems, including the JSSM cruise missile and they are slated for more F-18s and the JSF with advanced radars.

              The F-111 has had a very successful service life down under. Between them and your Collins class boats you have controlled the sea lanes around your mainland quite nicely.
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« Reply #39 on: February 25, 2008, 06:32:23 AM »
I think you missed the sarcasm there, mate.

It was a snide comment toward our government and its policy to simply ask "how high?" when America asks us to 'jump'.

What is there to fear from us having your technology?

Do you consider Australia a threat to America? Not bloody likely, mate. We have always been right behind any action America has taken. As far as countries go, we're as close to being your brother as you can get.

The Collins submarines have been the subject of much controvesy down here too, mate.

The F-111 has indeed been fantastic but you cannot say that it has not passed its 'use by' date? We're in need of an upgrade and I would think that our record of support and loyalty should count for something in the consideration of our request.

Don't get too worked up about it, mate. We're on your side and we always have been.
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« Reply #40 on: February 25, 2008, 07:22:53 AM »
King's English, Xasthur. It'd do you Aussies good.
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« Reply #41 on: February 25, 2008, 09:38:35 AM »
I'd give the aussies ANYTHING they wanted.

great allies........great country.........great people.
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« Reply #42 on: February 25, 2008, 10:20:15 AM »
(quote)  I'd give the aussies ANYTHING they wanted.
great allies........great country.........great people.  (unquote)

Yep, that about sums it up.
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« Reply #43 on: February 25, 2008, 10:57:45 AM »
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I think you may have gotten those numbers reversed


He tends to do that.

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« Reply #44 on: February 25, 2008, 11:10:11 AM »
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I think you missed the sarcasm there, mate.

It was a snide comment toward our government and its policy to simply ask "how high?" when America asks us to 'jump'.

What is there to fear from us having your technology?

Do you consider Australia a threat to America? Not bloody likely, mate. We have always been right behind any action America has taken. As far as countries go, we're as close to being your brother as you can get.

The Collins submarines have been the subject of much controvesy down here too, mate.

The F-111 has indeed been fantastic but you cannot say that it has not passed its 'use by' date? We're in need of an upgrade and I would think that our record of support and loyalty should count for something in the consideration of our request.

Don't get too worked up about it, mate. We're on your side and we always have been.


What makes' me wonder, is why you guys' don't buy from the Brits?
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