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Offline TheFinale

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« on: March 02, 2008, 07:03:43 PM »
Wow... I was flying in an F4u-1D today and I mistook it for a perk plane.  I was shooting down just about anyone in many different scenarios.  I don't remember the Corsairs being this powerful.  Did something change??
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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2008, 07:05:50 PM »
The 1A is the newest of the Hogs.....
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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2008, 07:34:12 PM »
Corsairs have always been powerful.

Their only drawbacks are climb and acceleration.

It's a great plane.
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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2008, 07:50:13 PM »
I cant fly them because I use track IR (refer to BUGS)  but the few times I have it seems they are REALLY REALLY docile near stall speed..  seems a little strange.

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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2008, 07:53:58 PM »
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I cant fly them because I use track IR (refer to BUGS)  but the few times I have it seems they are REALLY REALLY docile near stall speed..  seems a little strange.


Works fine with my trackIR.
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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2008, 08:40:55 PM »
There's a lot of controversy regarding the F4U Corsair, mainly its extremely docile nature at low speeds and amazing turn rate.

Until I finish my education on physics or until someone somehow indefinitely proves or fixes the F4U, I've stopped flying the big blue. It's a big issue in this game for nerds like me.
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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2008, 08:43:45 PM »
It is difficult to test in the game online because sometimes it appears I can out turn a n1k or spit 16 when I can't.  They just happen to be poor pilots.  Just wondering if anyone really knows if anything has completely changed.  Thanks.

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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2008, 09:10:23 PM »
Well, the F4U-1 does have a slightly smaller turn radius than the Spit-16 with full flaps.

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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2008, 09:13:28 PM »
Both with full flaps or the dash one (or 1a) with full flaps and the Spitty with none?

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« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2008, 09:35:50 PM »
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It is difficult to test in the game online because sometimes it appears I can out turn a n1k or spit 16 when I can't.  They just happen to be poor pilots.  Just wondering if anyone really knows if anything has completely changed.  Thanks.


You CAN outturn a Spit16 and a Niki. Aces Hish II Aircraft Comparison

Check out the above link. It shows actual in-game calculated data which is still the current data for the most part (with the exception of the Spitfires, which I think are incorrect).

Under full flaps, the Spitfires WILL be outturned by the Hog though smart Spitfire pilots don't just flat turn.
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« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2008, 10:28:16 PM »
Just for comparison, try looking at the figures from different testings.

 They are from;

* The Complete Aces High2 Fighter Turn Performance
* The Complete Aces High 2 Fighter Turn performance (revised 2.06)

 These are the tests I've done during versions 2.05 to 2.06, before Mosq's version of testings were compiled for AH Fighter Comparisons page. They show somewhat different figures for the F4Us.

 The below is a list of turn radius for planes engaged in full flaps, starting from the smallest turning plane, and listed upto the P-38J. Some of the planes are highlighted as a marker for comparing performance.


[b]A6M2: 104.6m[/b]
Hurricane Mk.I: 111.0m
A6M5: 115.3m
Spitfire Mk.I: 117.3m
Hurricane Mk.IIc:         123.8m
FM-2: 128.1m
Ki-84-I-Ko: 133.2m
[b]Spitfire Mk.IX: 134.3m[/b]
Spitfire Mk.V: 134.5m
Seafire Mk.II: 135.8m
F4F-4: 139.5m
Hurricane Mk.IId:         140.3m
Bf110C-4:         142.3m
[b]N1K2-J: 143.0m[/b]
[b]F4U-4: 144.7m[/b]
[b]Spitfire Mk.IX(50cal): 146.4m[/b]
P-38G: 148.6m
[b]F4U-1D: 148.7m[/b]
Bf110G-2:         149.5m
[b]F4U-1: 150.9m[/b]
[b]Bf109E-4:        151.1m[/b]
Spitfire Mk.XIV(50cal): 151.1m
Spitfire Mk.XIV:         152.4m
La-5FN 152.4m
La-7(3x20mm): 152.4m
La-7: 153.6m
[b]F4U-1C: 156.6m[/b]
[b]P-38J: 156.8m[/b]



 My testings were done before the addition of some new planes and recent changes concerning some FM aspects. The main difference with my testings and Mosq's, is that I've made extensive use of some of the in-game features to minimize human error in determining the true turn radius of the planes.

 As you can see, in these testings (before the FM change) the performance of the F4U was a bit more in line with the more common belief amongst AH gamers. The "1st Tier" of tight turning planes are the A6Ms and Hurricanes, and the Spitfires and the N1K2 makes up the "2nd Tier".

 In the turn radius comparisons at AH Fighter Comparisons Page, the F4U-1 ranks somewhere between the "1st Tier" and the "2nd Tier", physically outturning Spits and N1Ks and Ki-84s in the pure radius.

 This is especially interesting to note, since when I've first done these tests, I was already thinking the F4U turned too well - since the general turn radius performance was matching those of the Spit9 with 50cals and  N1K2s. In other words, this was before the FM change, a different test figure from those of Mosq's, and still I was already thinking the F4Us turned too good.

 
 So more or less, I'm thinking it could be said that the F4Us always had very generous flaps... and it was just unnoticed until recently.

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« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2008, 10:47:41 PM »
Take a look at the F4u's wings and wonder why it can out turn just about anything. Ive been begging for better turn fighter then flying only spits or Zekes and fell in love with my F4u. Yes the acell is horribly poor, and climb rate means you probably want to take off from a rear base like in a P47, but one thing Corsairs love is SPEED, once you get it up there, its pretty high end, not fast as La7 or P51, but will out run quite a few planes.

Take it from me its the perfect turn fighter, You can out turn anything faster, and out run anything that out turns it. Yes the Table shows full flaps its turn radius is rather excellent, but most the fights ive had I've simply out turned spits in 1-2 notch flaps on a co-alt merge and won the fight.

Diving is another good quality but not entirely that good. A Jug will run from it and P51 also, since Accel is poor, diving away you can be "caught" in a dive, which ive had happen, Spit 16 got behind me and flap was damaged, only thing I could do was dive, except Spit 16 got into the dive faster and nailed me.

However I rank F4u the finest fighter in the game, granted its like a P51, wont do anything top notch (out run la7 or out turn zeke) but its attributes are pretty much on par, P51 marginally better at 8eny, and F4u-1a at 15 eny.

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« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2008, 11:56:44 PM »
Kweassa how about those figures for one notch of flaps and full flaps?
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« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2008, 08:46:02 AM »
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Kweassa how about those figures for one notch of flaps and full flaps?


That is something I would like to have, what turn radius is for all the Hogs with 1 - all flaps down, still have not found that yet.

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« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2008, 09:00:56 AM »
adonai, go back to the f4u thread in the aircraft forum: Nothing special about the F4u wing. Being a little thicker doesn't mean it's going to be a super turning plane, especially when history does not support this conclusion.