For the G33ks- Gary Gygax passed away.

[NUKE]

It might even be a little more of a stretch of the old noggin to learn to get along with men (and even women!!!) who don't think exactly like you.. who may even have a predispositon to dislike you... It might teach you to use your imagination when talking to real people instead of pretend elves and trolls and.. fat guys pretending to be a princess.

lazs

Now that's a good one, Laz, as you are  the model for someone that tries to get along with people that don't think exactly like yourself.

I guess your Idea of a good time was just being a thug, riding crappy bikes, getting in fights and watching your friends die.....maybe doing drugs and terrorizing people. What a great fun times, fond memories.

I did things like build rc planes, work in my darkroom, photography, taught myself how to play guitar and bass, joined a band, and interacted with more different types of people than you probably ever did as a young man. I did things that did not hurt other people and that were just good, clean fun. What did you do? Get a Nazi tattoo and beat someone up?

So, unless there is a reason that I missed, why is it that you have even commented in this thread? Maybe you are just trying to get along with people that don't think exactly like you. Maybe I missed that part.

As far as D&D goes, I think it is was a great game. We didn't dress up or even act out anything. It was a game, like Pongo said, was run by one person who acted the part of today's computers pretty much. But you have no idea what it's about, judging by your posts.







 

[lazs2]

nuke.. I am not sure what your point is.. you don't have to smootch butt to get along or interact with people... look at all the reactions I am getting here.   Not only that but people are thinking and explaining.  they may change my mind even..

That is if they even had a frigging clue.   Nope..  just by listening to the princesses that have posted so far.. it looks like I was not far off the mark.  Nothing new has been revealed even tho you have been challenged.

It is not any more imaginative than an infinite number of other things a person could do.  It is near the bottom for learning any useful skill or thinking.

It is isolationist in that it needs to be hidden away so that no one but a believer sees you doing it lest they laugh their butt off at you.

AH has it's warts but it is something that you can take or leave.. you can participate at any level.. for instance.. despite

AWmack's projection..  most don't use all the tools in AH.  I don't do GV or madz missunz nor.. do I care about field capture or strat or "winning the war".   I don't use perk point's...  I have like 20,000 of em.

Others.. probably former princesses and elves... go for the whole "strat" game in AH and live in the world for days online.

lazs

[SOB]

This whole beating up on D&D kinda reminds me of something that happened at the AW 2001 CON.There was a group at the hotel at the same time for some RPG game.When one of them would walk around with their arms crossed over their chests they were in their game "Invisable"  I remember one of the idiots we had playing AW at the time bumping into a guy and saying "I didnt see you."  Funny thing,A guy pretending to be an Ace from WW2 busting on a guy pretending to be invisableOh the irony.

Is it possible this happened twice, or are you thinking of the 98 WB con?  Ironic or no, seeing Snail rolling a luggage cart through the lobby with a couple of "dead" pile-its on it, banging on it, then shouting "BRING OUT YOUR DEAD" was perhaps one of the funniest things I've ever witnessed. 

[lazs2]

Ah..  but I really don't know anyone in AH that thinks he is a WWII ace.. or an ace of any kind.. I haven't really met any AH players that think they are a WWII ace even while they are playing much less running down the halls with their arms spread out and making airplane noises.

Course.. we do invite real aces and WWII pilots to speak and we interact with them.. they even play the game to see what it is..

I suppose that you guys may have invited real fairies or princesses to speak at your DD meets..  or real vampires at the other deals.

lazs

[EskimoJoe]

I haven't really met any AH players that think they are a WWII ace even while they are playing much less running down the halls with their arms spread out and making airplane noises.

...I do that 

[batdog]

xbat..  I salute you for your service and admire your courage for admitting in public that you ever played D&D..

An all male barracks does seem to be the perfect place for it tho.. who got to play the princess?

lazs

Lazs..your a dick but i luv ya man. Too funny <S>.

Keep it up....

[SteveBailey]

Ah..  but I really don't know anyone in AH that thinks he is a WWII ace.. or an ace of any kind..

I never met anyone in D&D who thought they were a princess or an elf.

[Elfie]

No one ever played the part of *princess* in any groups I ever played in. In fact, I'd have packed up my stuff and ran like I just looted a plasma screen tv if anyone had wanted to play a princess! 

[Elfie]

I never met anyone in D&D who thought they were a princess or an elf.

Out of all the people I played DnD with, I only ever met one person that was messed up in the brain enough to think they were actually their character. Interestingly enough, it was a human wizard that he thought he was.

[lazs2]

well.. I was talking about vampires but...

Are you saying that in DD no one ever pretended to be a princess or an elf?  How bout a wizard.. that is pretty funny too did you have a wand and all?

lazs

[Elfie]

well.. I was talking about vampires but...

Are you saying that in DD no one ever pretended to be a princess or an elf?  How bout a wizard.. that is pretty funny too did you have a wand and all?

lazs

You've got it all wrong Lazs.....we didn't pretend to be anything, at least I didn't and neither did the groups I played with, except for that one guy.

[NUKE]

Just for the hell of it, I was looking up Dungeons and Dragons conventions. I saw a bunch of pictures of some large gatherings of players. They looked exactly like the same kind of people you'd see in any of the AW/ AH con pictures...only more women and kids were in the mix.

Not one picture I found of a D&D get together had anyone in a costume. Mostly people just at tables with some dice and some soft drinks playing a board game.

I was going post them here, but then thought that it doesn't really matter. Some people just think what they think an that's it.

I get a kick out of Laz, but I don't think he really has an informed idea about the game. And I know he "challeged" us to give him one, but that's not the topic here. Laz didn't come here to learn anything...he came here to make fun of people who played the game.

[lazs2]

I think that you guys are so defensive that you aren't reading what I am writing... 

The genre does not interest me.  fairies and elves and dragons (well... maybe a dragon) and princesses and things that cheat the rules.. magic and spells and wizards and trolls and such..

Unless you somehow made money of the dorks who love that crap then you were wasting your time...  I think that many (correct me if I am wrong) spent hundreds of hours a month doing something almost completely worthless in every way...  socially and in the VAST world of learning and imagination.. time that was wasted that could have been used much much better...  or,

as nuke likes to point out.. in my case maybe not so much better for say....society.. but, I believe...real life experiance.. any real life outdoor experience with a variety of people and places is vastly superior to sitting on your duff and creating a fantasy world with no value.

I think that defending such a thing in any other way than "I couldn't think of anything else to do and was afraid to go outside"  is silly.   

And.. there is nothing really wrong with that defense.. as teens we all were awkward and scared... 

What is bad is the revisionist way it is being treated here.

If it was so valuable then why are you not still doing it?

lazs

[NUKE]

Laz, what I think that you are not getting is that most of us look back at the game with fond memories because it was fun and it was only a game. We didn't dress up or at out like fairies and princesses. No one that I knew did anyway.What more you want to read into it is your problem. I played the game and had fun, then moved on.

The game is actually very complex and requires some intelligence and a lot of creativity to play it. You actually have to write a story for each "game" and describe in detail the setting.

You keep begging for a comparison between what you did as a young man by asking what people like me did.... and then mocking it.
For instance: if what you did was so worthwhile, why don't you still do it?

Hope this helps.

[lazs2]

Oh, but I am still "doing it" to a large extent..  I still ride and drive hot rods and work on em and the skills I learned by traveling to far off places and meeting all sorts of people who ranged from liking me to hating me to trying to kill me still serves me well..

learning to work on cars and bikes and paint and weld and troubleshoot all.. still serve me well.

just the other day..and it happens a lot.. I took the girlfriend for a ride and showed her a place that I was familiar with but hadn't seen in 30 years.

I think actually seeing strange places and people builds an experiance that serves me well to this day.

I know lots of people who are afraid to experience new things because they never did as teens...  I was fortunate enough to have a .... ah.... "rich" life experience.   

I have taken a lot of practical things from those days.. I have not only learned what worked for me but... what didn't.

I could use a few less broken bones and broken marriages but.... wouldn't trade any of it for the world.

lazs