stratobuffs

[the_hegemon]

while i'm climbing to 34k to intercept a buff raid on our(Rook) HQ, I just thought I'd vent here:

AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGG GGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!


Buffs are way overmodeled  

darkstar

[XNachoX]

Buffs are not overmodelled...u are undermadelled hah! =P.  Hava good one.

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NIGHTHAWKS "WE BAD"
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[This message has been edited by XNachoX (edited 02-27-2001).]

[jato757]

i think buffs need a litle moe armour, thats my opinoin though, and i dont think ther over modeled, the guys in thoughs buffs probly spent a half hour to get up there to ya know  

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[This message has been edited by jato757 (edited 02-27-2001).]

[TheWobble]

ya a 109 took the left wing off my b-17 earler, i asked him how many flashes he saw (hits)
his answer

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[Thunder]

This is a lame thread! The buffs were at 30K and were escorted by 5 P51D's and 10 P47D's went ahead. The main group of buffs were around 10 in number. The ASSASSIANS came up with tons of ROOKS. All Buffs were killed and fighters were dispached by ROOKS! They did a bit of damage and YES some of you WHINERS where killed! But the Rooks had there way with the attack force and fun was had by most. Too bad you Newbie whiners didn't .. Don't vent! You are UNDERMODELED!

Thunder

[Zigrat]

i had fun, but still kinda dweeby to go above 27k imo

[Voss]

I like it like this and I think we'll do more of it.  

I saw some really nice flying tonight and got some tags on some real killers. Out of five sorties only Cave got me (Mig nicked me later), and that before the fun started.  

I'll get you old man!   <S>

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[aztec]

With all due respect, why is it dweeby to go above 27k?

[Wilbus]

Buffs don't need more armor. A 4 engined heavy bomber needed about 20 rounds of 20mm to go down or 3-5 shells of 30mm. Now, the 109 might have used 30mm, I do it my self when I buff hunt and it packs a big punch.
And it does require about 20 hits by a 20mm + 13mm rounds to down a buff, sometimes less if you hit it all at about the same place.

And no, it's not dweeby to go above 27k, buffs sometimes did it and sometimes they didn't.
What is wrong with buffs are the guns, way overmodelled, WB way was better.

 



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Rasmus "Wilbus" Mattsson
III/JG5 "EisMeer"

[Maxopti1]

The bombers are not overmodeled, the pilots are simply incapable.

I frequently fly with the B17, but I don't need to fly above of the 20K, even, the fun is own in the fly to height of 10/15K.(more targets  )

I have 96 Kill,36 dead,in 139 sorties with the B17 and almost the Kills are made to 10K of altitude.  

I don't understand like they could enjoy those that they lose so much time for go to 30/35K.

Why ?, For have the consequence then of make little damage?  

This is really an of the stupid things that I see make in this game.

I hope in the new version HT put nice clouds to 20/25K, so that force these guys to fly to decent altitudes.

The reasoning also is worth for those pilots ( or flying tulips ?) that use fighters to 25/30K.

This is not the war where it is necessary survive, it is a game ( a nice game), if they shoot down you, you are in flight after 10 seconds. ( you owe simply press the correct button  )

Please, fly for enjoy and not for points, so much also if you come first, you don't win any prize.  

My 2 cents.

Cheers!

Maxo


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[2Late4U]

Where the alleged "Dweebery" in going above 27k (who decided on that altitude anyway...hmmm) is mainly due to the fact that it takes a huge time commitment to get a group of heavy buffs up to 35k, and it takes quite a while for any defending fighters to get that high also, especially if you dont fly one of the top rated climbers.

So what you end up with is a large buff force, so high that there is NO WAY for a defending force to gain enough altitude to engage them before they flatten a field or two, or quite possibly the HQ/City once the force is spotted on dar.

The scenario generally unfolds like this:

You see some NME on DAR heading for your Base or HQ.

You immediately take off with 5 of your best buds to intercept but soon realize that you cannot possibly gain enough altitude to catch the buffs.

They pork the target with impunity from 35k with accuracy that we cant even get with laser guided bombs today.

They egress, and while you may get lucky enough to catch a stragler or two, you do so at the cost of not trying to protect the base they just porked.


Same situation with HQ, especially of the NME has managed to reduce your DAR coverage near HQ by taking bases.  Buff come in, take out CIty and HQ, leaving you with a game thats about 90% less fun to play becaues you cant find the NME worth a crap with no sector markers.

While HT has indicated that making the Bombing more realistic would make bombing no fun, and I think for the most part they are right, I still feel that there should be a small divergence spec in the drops that is barley noticable at 5k, nothing to speak of at 10k, but makes 30k+ a little less perfect.  Perhaps a 1' per 500' altitude.  At 10k you only have a 20' dispersion which shouldne effect hitting a 50-100 foot hanger much, but at 30K+ you have a 60' dispersion, making those pinpoint hits a thing of the past


J1MO

[lazs]

Wasn't it difficult for bombers to hit anything smaller than about about a square block in size from that alt?   Maybe that would make things a little more paletable.
lazs

[whels1]

Originally posted by Thunder:
This is a lame thread! The buffs were at 30K and were escorted by 5 P51D's
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BS Thunder, i was 1 of the 1st Rooks to find the buff/p51 stream, i was a p38 at 35 freekin K and all the p51s and b17s were 2
to 4k above me.

Whels

[Moose11]

They were at approx. 30k when I and the other Assassins intercepted and shot most of them down. (the other rooks got the rest)

What does this say? "You're not safe at *any* altitude!"  

[Lizard3]

When I found them, there were no escorts and the buffs were down to 32k +/- 2k.  
The Assassins brought 30mm to the picnic, thats why someone got killed with three flashes. I saw one go down and one start to smoke profusely in the first Head On of the bomber stream. What a riot! If the DWBG ever figure out how to get them 17's in formation, were in trouble. S! to all.

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[This message has been edited by Lizard3 (edited 02-28-2001).]