IL2

[sunfan1121]

lurk this up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xs8HWN6UyE

LMFAO godwin's law

[RoGenT]

Educational 

[Rebel]

Yeah.... I am from the Twin Cities...A.C.E.S is a joke.  I made the mistake of trying it out a few years ago as well.  Bad sim, bad prices, bad competition.  It is totally made for the person who has never played a flight sim on a computer.  I remember they had me flying F-18's around a carrier, one guy to shoot at who could not fly..

What a waste of money and crap.  Still...they are in business after all these years.

I used to work for 'em when they were in st louis park at the miracle mile.

The owner is a cool guy, and has gone through a lot of expense to make flight sims enjoyable to the public. 

His idea is to make simming more accessible and fun, and to provide a "test drive" into the simming community as it were. 

I loved the after hours stuff out there.  Used to crank up the realism in F/A-18 and go at it with the boss.  Lotsa fun

[FrodeMk3]

So, This thread was origanally about what? The A.C.E.S. sim at the GAM, or about Ubisofts' game?

[moot]

Ubi's Il2 as setup in ACES at the GAM, by the sound of it.

[Nilsen]

A couple of weeks back i finally downloaded the IL2 demo. Figured it was about time i tried it after avoiding it for so long.

what a piece of crap that was, and even if it costs 5$ at most local chains here its not worth it

[Gianlupo]

I just got back from a trip to the Twin Cities.While there the wife and I went to the Mall of America. One of the buisnesses in the mall is a place called ACES. Aces has several flight simulators. Well i'm thinking"cool" something to do during her shopping. I cant remember the price but it was like $25 for a half hour and $45 for an hour. The wife said ok, so i bought an hour of time. Cockpit had real looking  stick, rudder, and peddals.   There were 3 others flying against me. After i was spawned into the air i realized only one opponent was a real person no big deal after shooting down several planes in my F4U1D i took up a zero and to my suprise the flight model was very simular to the Hog. That sucked !!! Even though there was some difference.It was nothing like Aces High. Next i flew a tempast it also flew alot like the hog.
 
  About that time the controller told my opponent he was out of time and had to go (we were all on a common radio with the controller.
  The  controller then asked if i wanted more opponents so i said yes.  When he hit the start screen i realized I was flying IL2. (I own it but have never really flown it)

   Well anyway after flying it I reaized It sucks. The flight models suck. and the view system sucks also. The eye candy was ok but I dought after flying there I will ever give it another try.

Well, Jon, first of all, thank you for the link to that video.... really funny!

Secondly, about IL2... don't forget that, unlike AH, IL2 has settings that can turn it into an arcade fligth sim when turned off.... I have IL2 and FM is not the same for every plane. Considering it was in a videogame center, opened to general pubilc and all kind of player and considering what Rebel wrote ("The owner is a cool guy, and has gone through a lot of expense to make flight sims enjoyable to the public."), I'd say the owner set the game for arcade flying, to have most of the people enjoying it.

I don't wanna enter the AH vs IL2 argument, just say that IL2 it's not a bad flight sim as it would seem from your experience.

[Krusty]

The settings in IL2 don't change the flight model. They enable or disable things like engine overheat, pilot blackout, limited fuel, limited ammo, landings/takoffs or air spawns, maybe something about stalls/spins, and things like that. The overall handling of the planes is pretty much the same regardless of your settings.



On top of that, the overall handling of ALL planes is almost identical. They definitely use a single FM for the entire game, rather however AH does it.

[doc1kelley]

lurk this up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xs8HWN6UyE

Somebody needs to send that to Skuzzy as it would be a great post-it for newbies. ROFLOL

All the Best...

    Jay
awDoc1

[moot]

Krusty there is at least one setting that'll disolve any unique character Il2's planes have.  Something like "no stall".. I ran into it on a server once, I thought something was wrong with my js, hehe.

Very crappy.

[Krusty]

Moot: I always flew it with stalls enabled, and they still all felt like the same plane, no matter what I flew. In AH you can tell the difference between a 190 and a 109, a f6f and a c205, almost instantly. That's why folks have such a hard time moving from their training plane (whatever they learned in) to something else.

[Gianlupo]

I don't agree, krusty, they are different.

[ImMoreBetter]

The difference in plane personalities is a problem that IL2 does have, I'll admit.

They are there, just not very prominent. It takes a few weeks before you really get a feel for the little there is.

[Nilsen]

very prominent i would say

[moot]

I think the worst thing about it is that they're all least different once you're deep in the stall at a high AOA.  Once you're there they all feel pretty much the same.