IL2

[ImMoreBetter]

Moot,

That's never happened to me. I have never lost my entire vertical stabilizer and flew around like nothing is wrong. If you have please post a track. If you are talking about seeing some other human player doing it then you have no idea how hard it was to maintain control. On the several occasions where I have lost a good portion of my vertical stabilizer the plane was all but un-flyable. JG14_Hertt just recently experienced this and was forced to bail out as he could not regain control of the plane. If you are talking about AI aircraft - then who cares. I don't fly against AI or off line. AI aircraft use simplified formulas. Like AI in almost every other game its poor.

I've lost my entire vertical stabilizer in IL2 several times. (P-63, consistently)

The first few times, I had to fly more gently, as to prevent spinning. But little performance was lost.

Other times, I disengage from the battle because my nose swings around far to much to accurately aim my cannon.


In the game, how the plane reacts too a missing vertical stabilizer is dependent on how well you can keep a balance, once it is lost; you're stuck without it.

[moot]

Moot,

That's never happened to me. I have never lost my entire vertical stabilizer and flew around like nothing is wrong. If you have please post a track. If you are talking about seeing some other human player doing it then you have no idea how hard it was to maintain control. On the several occasions where I have lost a good portion of my vertical stabilizer the plane was all but un-flyable. JG14_Hertt just recently experienced this and was forced to bail out as he could not regain control of the plane. If you are talking about AI aircraft - then who cares. I don't fly against AI or off line. AI aircraft use simplified formulas. Like AI in almost every other game its poor.

Wotan this was all multiplayer online.. No way were they really having that hard a time. In one instance I (K4) was in one piece myself and dodging his (P63) attacks! It's not fair to say I failed to outfly him with that handicap because I came out on top of a longish knife fight 1:1 where I shot his vert stab (and another shot in the fore section) with 30mm.  Then he proceeded to come down from maybe 10kft and maneuvered for a killshot multiple times. I couldn't believe it when I saw it.. 
I have 3 instances of it on film, 2 of them I could probably find easily, let me find em.
One instance was with a 205 late model, another against that P63, and another for a few seconds myself in a 152 with just a part of the structural beams of the vstab in the wind.  In the last instance I was in a hurry to reup and shoot down the guy who did it, but I did need visual confirmation that my vstab was gone.. It didn't fly like it was mising more than maybe 50% of vstab surface.

[Brooke]

There are many planes whose controls (roll or pitch or both) stiffen up significantly at higher combat speeds:  P-38's, Zeros, A-20's, Bf 109's, Bf 110's, TBM's, most bombers, etc.  I've seen historical information for at least some of these that talks about this happening.

There are planes that come apart if dive speed is too high:  Ki-84's, Mosquitoes, Zeros, most bombers, etc.  I haven't read enough on these to know if there's much out there that talks about them coming apart at high speeds and thus have no opinion on it.

[DaddyAck]

Hey Wotan <S>
Took ya long enough to finally see this thread!
I hate I missed FS, but work scheduel and a family tends to do that.