And people say bush is a bad person.

[Shamus]

About the Bush tax cut...

The original house bill had 314 co-sponsors, the original Senate bill had 56 co-sponsors, and yet its the Bush Tax cut.

it's the CONGRESS people, change the CONGRESS

Why didn't our fearless leader wield the veto pen?  we know he is capable.

After all the president has nothing to do with spending

shamus 

[FrodeMk3]

About the Bush tax cut...

The original house bill had 314 co-sponsors, the original Senate bill had 56 co-sponsors, and yet its the Bush Tax cut.

it's the CONGRESS people, change the CONGRESS

Who first proposed it?

[Holden McGroin]

Who first proposed it?

I believe it was Stanley H Johnson, a Blockbuster stockboy in Ottumwa Iowa.  He has as much consitutional power over taxes as does the President.

Section 7. All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other Bills.

Nope, after further looking, looks like Rep Bill Thomas, R CA was the start.

The 2001 EGTRRA was passed by a 230 to 198 vote.  10 D's broke ranks. Sanford Bishop, Bob Clement, Gary Condit, Bud Cramer, Bart Gordon, Ralph Hall, Ken Lucas, Mike McIntyre, Collin Peterson, and Jim Traficant

[Holden McGroin]

After all the president has nothing to do with spending

According to the constitution,
Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises,  to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

So the congress pays the debts... that sounds like they are the branch that spends.  The Executive branch does not have the power to do that, the President has the power to:

Section 2. The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States; he may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.


He shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall appoint ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, judges of the Supreme Court, and all other officers of the United States, whose appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by law: but the Congress may by law vest the appointment of such inferior officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the courts of law, or in the heads of departments.

He administers the laws Congress passes, and he can veto.  He did not veto because he agreed with the 230 Reps and the majority of the Senate who also agreed with the bill. 

[rpm]

Since when has Bush let the Constitution stop him from doing what he wants?

[Holden McGroin]

Since when has Bush let the Constitution stop him from doing what he wants?

Had Congress not sent him a tax cut to sign, he couldn't have signed it. 
Had Congress not given him the authority to invade Iraq, he couldn't have done it.

[MORAY37]

Yep, China owns us now.  There. I said it.  Now watch it disappear.

[indy007]

See Rule #2

[MORAY37]

I don't think I've seen a non-skuzzified post from Moray in the last 3 days. 

No kidding.  It's laughable.  Although, I personally have always thought censorship is never laughable.  I digress.... continue.

[Skuzzy]

No kidding.  It's laughable.  Although, I personally have always thought censorship is never laughable.  I digress.... continue.

If you do not want to be censored, or banned from this board, then I strongly suggest you follow the posting rules.  If you are not willing to deal with the consequences of your own choices, then you might want to consider going to another board.  Posts, like the one quoted, are getting tiresome as they have nothing to do with the subject.

[Masherbrum]

If you do not want to be censored, or banned from this board, then I strongly suggest you follow the posting rules.  If you are not willing to deal with the consequences of your own choices, then you might want to consider going to another board.

[angelsandair]

Since when has Bush let the Constitution stop him from doing what he wants?

Since when has it stopped the clintons?

[WWhiskey]

Nice perception.
but is it true?

How'd he do it?
Particularly with a republican controled congress.

Whatever our dept is. Both sides had a hand in it.

The president is only the president. Not an absolute emporer.

short term notes helped clinton pay down the debt, knowing that it would come due during the next administration!
he didn't think gore would win, but it would not have mattered, he would still be the one who paid it down setting the stage for hillary and helping to sell that part of his legacy!

[Silat]

No, But Clinton let him go.

Absolutely not true. Check your facts. That is just rightwing propoganda. If you say it enough the repsheep will believe it.

[AWMac]

Right Wing.