The Russians are Coming!!!

[indy007]

I love history, and have a minor in History at Univ. Houston.

  I still remeber the "Cougar Sign" from orientation many moons ago.

[BMathis]

I still remeber the "Cougar Sign" from orientation many moons ago.

LMAO! in Cali we called it the shocker! Now it's great to see an entire stadium full of hot college chicks holding it up in pride. 

<S> Indy, nice one!

[Neubob]

I'm a huge fan of Russian planes, nasty. And the third paragraph was designed to be insulting, only not to you. Too many Americans march to the drum these days, foolishly assuming that their superiority in everything that matters is guaranteed until the end of history.

If I wasn't an American myself I'd find it funny, but I am, so I don't. If things continue as they have been for the last few decades we're gonna end up a second rate power, populated by overweight, undereducated blowhards who think that god has a special place in his heart for our fat, complacent asses.

[Neubob]

I'm a huge fan of Russian planes, nasty. And the third paragraph was designed to be insulting, only not to you. Too many Americans march to the drum these days, foolishly assuming that their superiority in everything that matters is guaranteed until the end of history.

If I wasn't an American myself I'd find it funny, but I am, so I don't. If things continue as they have been for the last few decades we're gonna end up a second rate power, populated by overweight, undereducated blowhards who believe, with absolutely no rationale, that god has a special place in his heart for our fat, complacent asses.

[Gunslinger]

I'm a huge fan of Russian planes, nasty. And the third paragraph was designed to be insulting, only not to you. Too many Americans march to the drum these days, foolishly assuming that their superiority in everything that matters is guaranteed until the end of history.

If I wasn't an American myself I'd find it funny, but I am, so I don't. If things continue as they have been for the last few decades we're gonna end up a second rate power, populated by overweight, undereducated blowhards who think that god has a special place in his heart for our fat, complacent asses.

Gotta ask.....have you ever seen an F-22 fly in person?

[Rino]

I'm a huge fan of Russian planes, nasty. And the third paragraph was designed to be insulting, only not to you. Too many Americans march to the drum these days, foolishly assuming that their superiority in everything that matters is guaranteed until the end of history.

If I wasn't an American myself I'd find it funny, but I am, so I don't. If things continue as they have been for the last few decades we're gonna end up a second rate power, populated by overweight, undereducated blowhards who think that god has a special place in his heart for our fat, complacent asses.

<hands Neubob a mirror>

[Masherbrum]

got this in an email today, it's pretty amazing, though I'd heard about this some time back... The video is great!


Russian Fighter SU-30MK - READ THE DESCRIPTION BELOW......IT IS
AMAZING !

Russia now has #1 fighter plane in the world.....  SU-30-
Vectored Thrust with Canards.  As you watch this airplane, look
at the canards moving along side of, and just below the canopy
rail.  The 'canards' are the small wings forward of the main
wings.  The smoke and contrails provide a sense of the actual
flight path, sometimes in reverse direction.

This video is of an in-flight demonstration flown by the
Russian's-30MK fighter aircraft.  You will not believe what you
are about to see.

The fighter can stall from high speed, stopping forward motion
in seconds.
(full stall).  Then it demonstrates an ability to descend tail
first without causing a compressor stall.  It can also recover
from a flat spin in less than a minute.

These manoeuvre capabilities don't exist in any other aircraft
in the world today..  Take a look at the video with the sound
up.  This aircraft is of concern to U.S. and NATO planners.
We don't know which nations will soon be flying the SU-30MK,
hopefully China isn't one of them..

Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Note:

Friends worked with advanced aircraft flight control systems
and concepts for many years as an extension of stability
control and means of control.
Canards and vectored thrust were among many concepts examined
to extend our fighter aircraft performance.  Neither our
current or next generation aircraft now poised for funding &
production can in any way match the  performance of this
Russian aircraft NOW FLYING in any near combat situation.
Somehow the bankrupt Russian aircraft industry has out produced
our complex politically tainted aerospace industry with this
technology marvel.  Scratch any ideas of close in air-to-air
combat with this aircraft in the future.

http://www.mediafire.com/?0d4vcdw7kjx

<S>  Mathis

It won't be "Official" until they test the Ejection Seat at their Annual Demonstration. 

[john9001]

I'm a huge fan of Russian planes, nasty.

neubob is a huge fan of anything thats not american.

[Gunslinger]

It won't be "Official" until they test the Ejection Seat at their Annual Demonstration. 

 

[Lumpy]

America **** yeah! 

[Boroda]

Get educated, my friend. To start yourself off, I suggest a pretty dense diet of History, Discovery and Military channel programming. Once you get your brain loaded with that, take the next step and talk to some pilots who have never flown, flown against, or even seen the SU30 in real life. Then your indoctrination, er, I mean education, will be complete!

Good luck!!

!!!!

Neubob, may I, please, quote this post sometimes? I mean - I want to use this "dense diet" sentences, mentioning You as an author?

We have another fecal hurricane above, as I have read in some posts.

I hope we'll never see this planes fight in real combat.

[Boroda]

I watch the military and discovery channel waaaay too much, so my girl says.

I have spent almost 2 months in Australia in 2006.

Their History channel made me understand that UK and Commonwealth won WWII with some small help from Americans and with Russians making obstacles. Also I have learned that Dardanelles operation was a turning point in human history. And ANZAC were the most important force there, regardless to the fact hat there were three times more Russians there...

To stay in a historical main-stream you have to admit that Russians are just savages unable to invent anything by themselves.

Look, Russians stole the Concorde - and Tu-144 flew 3 months before the "original". Russians also stole an F-15 design so their MiG-25 flew 6 years before and made recon flights over Israel in 1970. We also stole space travel and launched three satellites before US sent a tiiiny ball to orbit. We also were the first to ht the Moon and, later, to photograph the Dark side back im 1959. It was all stolen from Americans.

Untermenschen, aren't we?

[AKIron]

!!!!

Neubob, may I, please, quote this post sometimes? I mean - I want to use this "dense diet" sentences, mentioning You as an author?

We have another fecal hurricane above, as I have read in some posts.

I hope we'll never see this planes fight in real combat.

I suspect they will someday engage in battle though it may not be Americans or Russians behind the stick. Then again, you just never know. 

<edit>

I have been pretty accurate in picking the American Idol eliminations though. 

[NUKE]

I don't think anybody would say that the Mig-25 was a copy of the F-15.

But, it does look a lot like this, which was operational in 1964.

And the Russians did get caught with the entire blueprints of the Concorde. It's not a complete copy, but that's  what they relied on in order to make it.

Isn't it such an odd coincidence that the Russians keep coming out with near clones of western aircraft? B-29, Concord, F-86 Saber, Space Shuttle.

I'm not saying they have not made great planes but they sure have no problem copying ours.

[Boroda]

Nuke, just please look at MiG-25 and F-15 from above and see that they are absolutely identical

I said that F-15 is a copy of a MiG-25.

/*I hope you understand my sarcasm*/

That bloody Russians already fly a plane that we planned to build three years later!...

My main point is that you guys make air-superiority planes against some Mumbo-Jumbo tribe, starving Iraq or raped Yugoslavia, not against a nation that can afford a full-scaled anti-aircraft defense network.

In a full-scale "conventional" war AWACS planes will burn like candles, and Raptors will get blind, while our AA-defense relies on multiple ground radars on our own soil, so invaders will be surprised. Our SAM batteries, divisions and brigades will literally chew all your invading forces. If even poor Yugoslavs kicked NATO bellybutton - then go figure what that Russian barbarians can do.

Look, US can only fight third-world countries, and only after they got starved by decades of international sanctions. No chance against a full-scale AA-defense, with satellite-recon and _motivation_.

Look at the difference in doctrines:you _attack_ while we _protect_. Now go tell me that we wanted to conquer you.

LOL I now listen to LZ bootleg from 1969, "Communication breakdown"