The Russians are Coming!!!

[Holden McGroin]

Nuke, just please look at MiG-25 and F-15 from above and see that they are absolutely identical

Well, they are both twin tailed, Why they are both Identical to the DH Vampire!

[NUKE]

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Well, they are both twin tailed, Why they are both Identical to the DH Vampire!

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And, allow me to present the 1963 Vigilante

[NUKE]

The DH Vampire was just a jet version of the P-38. Everyone knows that.

[Boroda]

Holden, is your pic of a 25 copied from Microprose F-19?

Funny but we never had any problem with "copy protection" of that game. Everyone could just tell F-111 from Su-24

[FrodeMk3]

Hmph.They all owe their roots, at the very begining, to stuff that the Germans' had on the drawing boards' at the end of WWII. Almost all the basic concepts' of modern aeronautics-swept back wings, swept forward, front canards, Variable geometry wings, T-tails, V-tails, Flying wings, etc. were there.

Although it can be strongly argued, that Jack Northrop equalled, if not surpassed, the Germans' in the flying wing department.

[RAIDER14]

F111


SU24


F111 flew before the SU24 though

[moot]

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Well, they are both twin tailed, Why they are both Identical to the DH Vampire!

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You didn't have your beer goggles on.

[Strip]

I dont think you will ever see a wartime dogfight with these planes at such slow speeds and high AoA so do these cabilities even matter?  If its not stealth it will die long before it gets to Aim 9 range anyway and the US Airforce has few plans to buy any none stealth fighters.

Strip(er)

[Holden McGroin]

If its not stealth it will die long before it gets to Aim 9 range anyway and the US Airforce has few plans to buy any (new) stealth fighters.

Strip(er)

F-22 and F-35 are stealth.

[moot]

I think he means non-stealth.

[angelsandair]

The F22 could still win. It's supposed to be able to evade radar, not maneuver around like a 2c of planes. The only way the other plane could win is by machinegun or unless the F22 broke radar

[NUKE]

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Those maneuvers are pointless. The plane is just flopping around like a sitting duck, and like Eagle pointed out, is really not under control most of the time.

Kind of like a karate guy showing off his fancy moves, then being shot dead by a guy with a gun. All show, no go.

And Boroda, your defense systems have so far been shown to be easily defeated by us. Almost effortlessly. All the stuff you sold to Iraq and Syria didn't help them even slightly. Israel just recently flew undetected and unharmed deep into Syria and back, which has some of the best air defenses you guys can make.

What does that say about your defensive systems?

[Holden McGroin]

I think he means non-stealth.

undoubtedly as I re-read...

[NUKE]

The more I think about that video, the more I wonder what the Russians are trying to do.

They are still decades behind if they think that they need a super-maneuverable fighter. It seems like again, they have wasted their money trying to counter planes we put up decades ago, They don't seem to really have any advanced thinking, as they are always just following and trying to catch up with the west.

And by the time they put a plane up that counters what they think they need to counter, we have moved a step ahead and they are left with junk that only China might buy.

It's a good looking plane though.

[Holden McGroin]

The more I think about that video, the more I wonder what the Russians are trying to do.

They are still decades behind if they think that they need a super-maneuverable fighter.

The F-22 has vectored thrust for enhanced maneuverability.