German Panther

[BigPlay]

I doubt it. The Tigers even had a hard time countering against T-34s. Thats where the Panthers stepped in.

I'm pretty sure a Panther would be harder to kill since it has thick armour PLUS sloped armour. Good combination for Tanks.

Actually that's not true. The Russians had to upgun their T-34's to 85mm main guns to cope with the Tigers. The 76mm wasn't able to penetrate the Tigers armor at range. The Panthers armor also wasn't as thick as a Tiger. If you read Otto Carrius's book "Tigers in the mud" you will come to understand that the Tiger in the right hands was a feared tank even in the last days of the war. Otto Carrius had 150 confirmed tank kills and he acheived most of them in a Tiger

.The reason that the L/70 75mm gun the one on the Panther was so effective was because it had a high muzzle velocity however the 88mm gun was still able to handle most Russian tanks. The Tigers were always mixed with other more manuverable tanks on their flanks for protection against the T-34's swarms. If you do alot of reading on tank battles on the eastern front you see the same statements about the Russians as soliders and their mindset. The Russian's were intimidated very easy and often retreated faced with stiff oppisition.

[Cthulhu]

I doubt it. The Tigers even had a hard time countering against T-34s. Thats where the Panthers stepped in.

I'm pretty sure a Panther would be harder to kill since it has thick armour PLUS sloped armour. Good combination for Tanks.

Tigers never had trouble killing T-34's. If the gunner could see it, he could kill it, including the T-34/85.

The strength of the Panther was that it was a more balanced package,
1) good solid armor protection
2) great lethality from a flat shooting high-velocity gun
3) far better mobility compared to the Tiger

One thing that (IIRC) hasn't been mentioned is the far superior optics of the German tanks. In addition to having better armor and more lethal guns, the German gunners were also much more able to land hits (and kills) on the first shot, and at very respectable ranges (much like the Abrams today). This is what truly intimidated the Russians fighting on the open steppe.

[ssDruid]

The German Panthers and Tigers had great stadia type reticles within their sights, which the tank commanders and gunners had to do range estimation based on target size and possible distance . The M1 Abrams' preferred sight is the thermal imaging system (TIS) which is viewed through the Gunners primary sight. The sight has an illuminated reticle which is projected into the sight by the laser range finder. The range finder along with the ballistic computer can accurately produce ranges to targets and effectively aline the main gun for the proper angle / elevation / deflection all based on current conditions. About 1 second in all. Now if the those sights go down, then there is the back up Gunners Auxillary sight (GAS), which is modeled after the 105D from the M60 series. It is similar to the sights used during WWII. To compare WWII tankers to modern day tankers, by their skill level, the older tankers had to really learn their craft in order to prevail on the battlefield. In modern day tanks it is basically -- see the target at long range, put reticle on target area, lase to target, and then fire at target. Very easy, almost like playing a video game.

[JagdTankker]

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the new vehicles are out of sight.88mm anti-tank gun, Pak-43, US/British 57mm, M-10, M-4 Sherman, Sherman Firefly

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[Motherland]

Sounds cool... what is the server capacity?

[DPQ5]

Sounds cool... what is the server capacity?

well it depends on the server maker, can go from i think 16 to 62. But this game hasent came out yet but wit will come out in four days, June 6(D-Day)

[angelsandair]

Actually that's not true. The Russians had to upgun their T-34's to 85mm main guns to cope with the Tigers. The 76mm wasn't able to penetrate the Tigers armor at range. The Panthers armor also wasn't as thick as a Tiger. If you read Otto Carrius's book "Tigers in the mud" you will come to understand that the Tiger in the right hands was a feared tank even in the last days of the war. Otto Carrius had 150 confirmed tank kills and he acheived most of them in a Tiger

.The reason that the L/70 75mm gun the one on the Panther was so effective was because it had a high muzzle velocity however the 88mm gun was still able to handle most Russian tanks. The Tigers were always mixed with other more manuverable tanks on their flanks for protection against the T-34's swarms. If you do alot of reading on tank battles on the eastern front you see the same statements about the Russians as soliders and their mindset. The Russian's were intimidated very easy and often retreated faced with stiff oppisition.

Also with though, the Germans had a hard time against the Russian T-34 w/ or w/o the 85mm gun. It was b/c of the sloped armour.

[BigPlay]

Also with though, the Germans had a hard time against the Russian T-34 w/ or w/o the 85mm gun. It was b/c of the sloped armour.

Once again, read "Tigers in the Mud" you will read from first hand accounts how effective the Tiger's were against the T-34s. Sloped armor helps at deflecting long range shots from lets say the Panzer's 75mm gun. The Tiger's 88 and Panther's 75 were capable of penetrating all angles of the T-34's armor at range. It basically was the quantity of T-34s that made the difference.

[mnotsayn]

 Need Panther


pleas
 Seariously Though,, If you like the Panther look at this vid
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=German+Panthers+at+Kersk&docid=1007211708430&mid=7E784A38ACEB3766C7447E784A38ACEB3766C744&FORM=VIVR12#
The Panther was not a Super Tank by any stretch of the imagination but it was good, O I love the way they knock out enemy troops in spider holes LOL gives a new meaning to "the Dayle grind" 

[MiloMorai]

Also with though, the Germans had a hard time against the Russian T-34 w/ or w/o the 85mm gun. It was b/c of the sloped armour.

Did the Germans have a tough time penetrating the sloped front armour of the Sherman?

[Masherbrum]

Need Panther

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pleas
 Seariously Though,, If you like the Panther look at this vid
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=German+Panthers+at+Kersk&docid=1007211708430&mid=7E784A38ACEB3766C7447E784A38ACEB3766C744&FORM=VIVR12#
The Panther was not a Super Tank by any stretch of the imagination but it was good, O I love the way they knock out enemy troops in spider holes LOL gives a new meaning to "the Dayle grind" 

Congrats on the 13 month Bump!   You rock!

[TheAce]

Learn spelling and punctuation. Then read some history books. Then post. Pretty please with sugar on top.

The initial production target was 250 tanks per month at MAN. This was increased to 600 per month in January 1943. Despite determined efforts this figure was never reached due to disruption by Allied bombing, manufacturing bottlenecks, and other difficulties. Production in 1943 averaged 148 per month. In 1944, it averaged 315 a month (3,777 having been built that year), peaking with 380 in July and ending around the end of March 1945, with at least 6,000 built in total. Strength peaked on September 1, 1944 at 2,304 tanks, but that same month a record number of 692 tanks were reported lost (source: T.L. Jentz (1999) Die deutsche Panzertruppe Band 2).

If the 6,000 Panthers built were pitted against the 50,000 Shermans made during WWII I would put my money on the Panthers. A Panther was easily a match for 10 Shermans (Firefly excluded) or T-34's on the battlefield. With superior gun and optics and almost impervious armor, the Panther was the finest tank of the war.

Im thinking they would run out of ammo maybe?

[Angus]

Did the Germans have a tough time penetrating the sloped front armour of the Sherman?

Only when you had both the extra tracks and some sandbags on the front 

[MiloMorai]

Only when you had both the extra tracks and some sandbags on the front 

Possibly Angus. The point was the Sherman's front armour is thicker than the T-34s.

[Nemisis]

Possibly Angus. The point was the Sherman's front armour is thicker than the T-34s.

Ya, I'd agree with both of you.


I'd agree with both of BigPlay's posts on this page as well.