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Offline Yossarian

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Re: B-29
« Reply #75 on: March 25, 2008, 10:04:04 AM »
Ok, I understand your points, and at least partially agree with them.  The Japanese committed countless atrocities in WWII, and to that end no apology is owed.  However, IMO it was the Japanese military/government that was responsible for those acts, not the civilians.

trigger2, I took my information from before/after pictures of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and before/after pictures of cities such as Dresden.  And your comment about
in Japan, NOONE was a civilian when the bombs were dropped, people were trained to be kamikazies, any male over the age of 60 and female over I do believe 45 was ordered to be killed as they were not seen as 'fighting fit' and were just taking away from food after the shortage. Schools were changed into military acadamies, plus, call it a hunch, if americans were on their beaches, the jap civilians wouldn't of been going 'My oh my!! The americans are here! Whatever shall we do!' rather, they'd do what they were told to, find a long pointy stick, and charge to their death, so yeah, it was the most humanitarian thing to do. Plus, if all people are equal, then all japs were soldiers, therefore all japs shoulda had a death sentence on their head at the time, suck on that one :]

Think, it might hurt, but think.

Aaahhh....I am thinking...and the only pain I'm feeling is about the extreme stupidity exhibited in your above statement.

Rich46yo, thank you for making basically the only coherent reply to my post.  I don't know too much about the points you made, however I would just like to point out that:
a)   I do not think that the atrocities committed by Japan during World War II justify killing civilians by the tens of thousands, partly because I doubt the (majority of the) civilians were directly responsible for these acts, and
b)   this is more of a general point, but if one country kills 1,000 innocent people, surely another country doing the same thing, in retaliation, is just lowering itself to the level of the first country.  Please don't get me wrong on this...I'm not condoning/agreeing with anything the Japanese did during World War II, I just thought that should be considered.

DaddyAck, my response to Rich's post largely applies to your's as well.  I never denounced the USA, I just said (or at least meant to say) that I feel the nukes should have been dropped on a military target, not a civilian one.  However, since what's done can't be undone, I think that it might be right for a US leader to say that it would have been better to drop the nukes on a non-civilian area, as the war (as far as I can tell) was against the military, not the civilians.

I think it's time this thread was Skuzzyified/locked/put back on topic.

In response to the original post, I would like to see a B-29 in game, but without the nuke, and I also think there are many other planes that should be added first.
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Re: B-29
« Reply #76 on: March 25, 2008, 10:19:27 AM »
Yoss, Lets hug an move on... Agreed?  :D
Seriously  though,
Thats the great part about this place, we disagree then we make up and move on.
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Re: B-29
« Reply #77 on: March 25, 2008, 10:21:28 AM »
Yeah We Don't Need A Nuke, It DID Do Other Things Y'Know

And Besides, The Enola Gay Needed To Be Modified To Carry The Little Boy

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Re: B-29
« Reply #78 on: March 25, 2008, 10:42:03 AM »
Who makes the war machines and other necessities to keep the military in the field?

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Re: B-29
« Reply #79 on: March 25, 2008, 11:38:45 AM »
Yoss, Lets hug an move on... Agreed?  :D
Seriously  though,
Thats the great part about this place, we disagree then we make up and move on.
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(B29 would be great with standard bombload only)

Agreed  :salute

I guess these online communities aren't too different from RL except that here you don't actually know who the other people are.

Does anyone have any data on how thick the B-29's armour was?

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« Reply #80 on: March 25, 2008, 01:30:50 PM »
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Re: B-29
« Reply #81 on: March 25, 2008, 02:18:40 PM »
OK GUYS IAM REALLY GETTING PIZZED ABOUT THE B29 I LIKE IT SO SHUTUP AND STOP WITH THE BAD COMMENTS IDID DO RESEARCH ON IT AND I KNOW ITS FLAWED WHOCARES :furious
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« Reply #82 on: March 25, 2008, 05:27:51 PM »
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Re: B-29
« Reply #83 on: March 26, 2008, 06:55:00 AM »
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Rich46yo, thank you for making basically the only coherent reply to my post.  I don't know too much about the points you made, however I would just like to point out that:
a)   I do not think that the atrocities committed by Japan during World War II justify killing civilians by the tens of thousands, partly because I doubt the (majority of the) civilians were directly responsible for these acts, and
b)   this is more of a general point, but if one country kills 1,000 innocent people, surely another country doing the same thing, in retaliation, is just lowering itself to the level of the first country.  Please don't get me wrong on this...I'm not condoning/agreeing with anything the Japanese did during World War II, I just thought that should be considered.

                        There'in lies the paradox doesnt it? In the eyes of the Japanese leadership no one person, or group of persons, was directly responsible for the war crimes committed by the Japanese. In the Japanese view the entire "Nation family" was responsible. And of course the entire nation wasnt responsible for war crimes. We didn't give every Japanese a war crimes trial now did we?

                        No disrespect but there weren't very many Liberals like you in 1945 America. Most American families had sons fighting in the war and in their eyes the lives of their kids were more important then the lives of the Japanese. Such views were far more difficult to have in the 1940s. We were locked in a terrible war against enemies who would surely annihilate us if given the chance and we just weren't a nation that second guessed ourselves to the point of paralysis as we are today.

                      We didn't have the kind of highly accurate weapons we have today back in 1945. And even if we did there was the question of the highly dispersed Japanese home industry. We were also fighting against an enemy that was sworn to fight us to the death, and that included woman and children. There were quite simply no alternatives to killing them on a mass scale and for that sad reality the entire Japanese nation family WAS responsible.
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Re: B-29
« Reply #84 on: March 26, 2008, 07:34:13 AM »
I agree with the points you're making there, but I still think that the nukes should not have been dropped on cities, but rather on areas of great strategic importance.

Whilst the civilians may very well have been willing to fight the Americans to the death, I think that it would have been far more "just" (not the right word, I know) to drop the bombs on military bases, or similar things.  I would have thought that breaking the morale of the Japanese army would have been a higher priority than doing so for the civilians.

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