Obama's Pastor "disappeared" from website.

[Gunslinger]

Swiftboating is the act of cherry picking "facts" in the form of half truths and spin in order to discredit your opponent.  Implying that Hillary has Sean Hannity on her payroll is just laughable.

if you actually read some of these quotes they aren't out of context and they definitely aren't cherry picking!

There needs to be a response word when anyone uses the term "swiftboating" for anything they don't want to hear that's negative.  I like "tug-boating"  Yes MT you are tug-boating here.

Tug-boating:  The act of insinuating someone is telling a farce via label and completely ignoring fact!

Anyone think it'll catch on?

[BTW]

I still fail to see why his pastor is a issue.. last time I heard the pastor, preacher or who ever didn't sit in the white house. George Bush goes to a church that thinks the Anti Christ is gonna blow up the world.. Yet that was never all over the news.

I don't think the pastor is the issue, but how the shocking comments were explained. The issue is what most people are willing to believe.
We are expected to believe these comments were unusual and atypical of Wright's usual message, yet we have the congregation cheering and (literally) backslapping him in agreement to anti-America comments. They aren't grumbling or clapping uncomfortably - they're cheering. So how do we believe that sentiment is unusual in that church?

Then we are supposed to accept that Wright like a nutty uncle or relative. How many nutty relative would you visit if they weren't related to you? Why would Obama choose a nutty preacher who isn't related to him Why would Obama choose a nutty congregation that seems to AGREE with the nutty things that preacher is saying? What exactly does Obama have in common with those people who were applauding, vile, racist, anti-American comments?

If you see the pastor as the problem, you are either ignorantly or deviously missing the real problem. This is not the first seemingly unpatriotic nuance in Obama's debutante ball. Its one more seemingly unpatriotic nuance. And I don't think its explained well enough.

[dhaus]

Ya know, you're right.  I sure hope McCain has some better explanations about why he was snuggling up next to Hagee and letting that conservative talk show host speak for his campaign.  He sure welcomed those comments as did the crowds at his campaign stops.  They were all cheering.  How do we believe those sentiments aren't unusual for McCain?

[AKIron]

Ya know, you're right.  I sure hope McCain has some better explanations about why he was snuggling up next to Hagee and letting that conservative talk show host speak for his campaign.  He sure welcomed those comments as did the crowds at his campaign stops.  They were all cheering.  How do we believe those sentiments aren't unusual for McCain?

Are you really likening a radio talk show host to a church pastor? Did McCain go sit in the audience at the radio station for the better part of 20 years? If he did you might have a valid point. If he didn't your comparison is pathetic.

[BTW]

Because most Republicans were appalled at "name rhetoric" in the place of substantive arguments that could be thrown at that blank slate Obama. McCain made it very clear he was not part of Cunningham's keg party. Also, having a nutty preacher endorse you is not like proposing that a nutty preacher launch your campaign or calling that nutty preacher your mentor and pastor of two decades, marry you, and baptize your children. Did McCain do that? NO. Obama did. So lets not confuse McCain with Obama.

[dhaus]

Hmm, my comparison is pathetic?  Hagee's views were known.  The radio talk show hosts were known.  McCain chose to associate those two with his campaign.  And took some time to renounce Hagee's remarks.  So, did McCain believe catholics were potatos before he didn't?  See how that works?

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The thing I can't believe about all this is that the church and it's congregation seem to think that just because the media is talking about and showing the very racist & unpatriotic statements their pastor has made that the media is somehow attacking all black churches, like the title of the sermon this Sunday at the church the pastor is from was titled "Why the Black Church Won't Shut Up", how is the media talking about the racist and un-American statements this pastor made an attack on black churches?

[BTW]

Yea, your explanation works as well as MSNBC's. The video tape of that spewing hate from Obama's self proclaimed MENTOR, is going to go away because other people have nutty people who endorse them. Farrakhan ENDORSES Obama. No one is painting Obama as an anti-Semite because Farrakhan endorses him. They're asking why he would belong to a church that gives an award to anti-Semite Farrakhan and preach racist, anti-American sermons to the cheers of a visibly agreeing congregation. Its a valid question and incredible to watch news organizations try to cover up news.

[AKIron]

The thing I can't believe about all this is that the church and it's congregation seem to think that just because the media is talking about and showing the very racist & unpatriotic statements their pastor has made that the media is somehow attacking all black churches, like the title of the sermon this Sunday at the church the pastor is from was titled "Why the Black Church Won't Shut Up", how is the media talking about the racist and un-American statements this pastor made an attack on black churches?

It's the same mentality that ravaged LA when a few cops beat up Rodney King. Us against them. Never mind that Rodney King earned his bellybutton whupin' twice over. So long as there are leaders telling people how mistreated and abused they are and people willing to believe it there will always be division.

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One other thing I want to say on this, if you notice Obama said that "He was not in the pews when Rev. Jeremiah Wright made these statements", now if you look at that carefully he's just saying he wasn't there when these things were said, but I find it hard to believe that he had no idea about the type of beliefs and extreme views he had.  This guy was a good friend of Louis Farrakhan, and even went with him over to Lybia to meet with Momar Kadafi.  Wright has had a long association with these left wing causes and views and were supposed to believe that Obama didn't have any knowledge of it when he's been attending this church for 20 years.

[Tango]

Personally I think this country would be better off, if religion stayed out of politics and the politicians kept their religious beliefs private and out of the govt office just like the constitution says.

"Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor . . ."

You know who wrote this?































George Washington

He wrote it in his Proclomation to the People after the after the writing of the First Amendment.

[BTW]

Another problem I have with this big news story that liberal news organizations are trying to bury, is the ridiculous argument that these are but a few sermons out of thousands of sermons. A white preacher could give 10,000 sermons preaching the morality or equality and erase it all with a sermon proclaiming an ethnic group the ills of the world. You can't unring that bell. So the feeling is "well for 10,000 sermons he successfully hid his bigotry." Now this has nothing to do with Obama, but the media's defense of Wright. I don't care that he gave 10,000 innocuous  sermons. I care that he gave racist and anti-American sermons, however few they might be. Obama's part in this is his judgement and veracity. Is he so naive as to not recognize extremism or is he lying about his part? This is without a doubt a major news story. If this doesn't blow thew liberal bias of the mainstream media out of the water , nothing will. The effort of the mainstream media to whitewash this is reminiscent of the propaganda of TAS or Pravda.

[Tango]

It was more than one sermon. He was wearing different clothes inseveral of them.

[BTW]

It was more than one sermon. He was wearing different clothes inseveral of them.

Oh, I know, but the point the defenders of Wright were making is "its only a few times."
Well you only have to preach bigotry a few times to cast doubt on thousands of innocuous sermons.
I don't think the propaganda media is so dumb as not to understand that. I do think they are so devious as to obscure it.

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It was more than one sermon. He was wearing different clothes inseveral of them.

I don't think anyone hear was saying it was only one sermon.