Obama's Pastor "disappeared" from website.

[midnight Target]

No one is defending what the reverend said. The "swift boating" comes from the constant barrage of pseudo news about Obama's pastor as if Obama himself said those things. Since when have we as a Country held people accountable for the actions of acquaintances? I was a Catholic for many years. That certainly doesn't make me a pedophile.

Obama has denounced the statements made by his pastor. Enough said.


On the other hand, do you honestly believe that the statements and sentiments of the reverend Wright are manufactured out of whole cloth? Or are you willing to accept the fact that there still may be a little bit of righteous anger in the black community?
 

[AKIron]

On the other hand, do you honestly believe that the statements and sentiments of the reverend Wright are manufactured out of whole cloth? Or are you willing to accept the fact that there still may be a little bit of righteous anger in the black community?
 

A little? Osama bin laden has nothing over this guy when it comes to anti-american rants.

[AKIron]

Looks like Obama is going to win the democrat nomination anyhow. You can bet your sweet bippy we haven't heard the last of Reverend Wright.

[Toad]

And if by some weird chance he loses to McCain it will prove that Amreeka is racist, not that people didn't want the most liberal senator in Congress to move on to the oval office. 

[BTW]

No one is defending what the reverend said. The "swift boating" comes from the constant barrage of pseudo news about Obama's pastor as if Obama himself said those things. Since when have we as a Country held people accountable for the actions of acquaintances? I was a Catholic for many years. That certainly doesn't make me a pedophile.

Obama has denounced the statements made by his pastor. Enough said.


On the other hand, do you honestly believe that the statements and sentiments of the reverend Wright are manufactured out of whole cloth? Or are you willing to accept the fact that there still may be a little bit of righteous anger in the black community?
 

So you start off saying no one is defending Wrights statements and then ask if they're plausible? I think his contention that that white people created AIDS to destroy black people is ridiculous and there is no light you can cast it in to make anything but ridiculous and racist. I think the contention that laws are written (such as the 3 strikes laws) to imprison black people is racist. I think the contention that the United States makes drugs available to black people so they can imprison them, racist and unpatriotic. I think noting the civilian casualties of the nuclear bombs in Japan while ignoring the civilian casualties of Japanese aggression in WWII is unpatriotic propaganda. I think the graphic demonstration of the the Clinton/Monica - Clinton/African-American metaphor is vile and pedestrian.

In short, those sermons are NOT plausible. Those published sermons are disgusting.

Obama did denounce the sermons. He has to  - as I said and most can see - they are disgusting.
What he hasn't said is how he was unaware of this church's sentiment for 20 years.
He just said he wasn't in the pew at the time. Seems the media wouldn't buy that from most people but are AOK with it from Obama.
Why?

The question is why Obama joined a church with anti-American sentiment or oblivious to the fact that he was a member of a church with anti-American sentiment. What he is, no one knows. The questions right now are about his veracity and judgment.

[Tango]

And if by some weird chance he loses to McCain it will prove that Amreeka is racist, not that people didn't want the most liberal senator in Congress to move on to the oval office. 

I think Obama is a racist if hes been a memeber of that chirch for 20 years and been listening to those kinds of sermons without speaking out against Wright or at least quiting that church.

[john9001]

rumor is Reverend Wright has left the country and is hiding out in Africa until after the election.

[trax1]

The whole "I didn't know that Rev Wright had those kind of beliefs" is ridiculous, he's been in that church for 20 years and it's not like Rev. Wright just started having these kinds of beliefs & feelings, the Rev. has been a long time friend of Louis Farrakhan and we all know what his beliefs are when it comes to other races and America.  You know not only has Obama just simple been a member of this church, I'm sure that he's spent alot of one on one time with the Rev, and in all that time he never heard the Rev. say any of these types of things?  It just seems a little far fetch to me, Obama knew exactly what this guys thoughts & feelings were when it came to these things.

[AKIron]

Ya know this church's response is kinda funny. They are getting indignant about an attempt to silence them. Who do you think is trying to shut them up? Obama is the only one I've heard "officially" condemning his old preacher. Republicans want him and them to keep on preachin'. 

[AKIron]

Seems they are being pressured to "shut up" but they're blaming the wrong people. I'm quite happy to let them loudly express their extremist views. Since they just removed their "12 precepts" from their web site I'm thinking they aren't as unashamed as claimed to be. The only one that really raises my eyebrow is number 8. Here they are anyhow:


We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.

Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee chaired by Vallmer Jordan in 1981. We believe in the following 12 precepts and covenantal statements. These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They must reflect on the following concepts:

1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the Black Community
3. Commitment to the Black Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System.


 

[Arlo]

He needs to grow the hell up and really really learn that speech that incites and perpetuates racial hatred is simply not acceptable.

Some may need to grow up and stop assuming he's the one deficient when the smear's in high gear.

[Hap]

i think its gonna haunt him all the way. His chances of winning have just gone down the drain. He might win the Dem race but thats about it.

Tis so. 

See an old thread about general election.  I stand by my prognostication.

[trax1]

Check out this interview from last year with this Rev. Wright on Hannity & Colmes, you'll see what a arrogant racist this guys is, and Hannity brings up those 12 precepts of a black church and ask's a great question, that if you replaced the word black with white wouldn't you call that racist.  He just really comes across as a jerk, he constantly interrupts and just talks over Hannity, it's a little over 5min long, but it really shows you who this guy is.

Rev. Jeremiah Wright interview

[Arlo]

Tis so. 

See an old thread about general election.  I stand by my prognostication.

Hold ya to it later.

[Rich46yo]

                                   I suspect the good reverend has already lost the Presidential race for Obama. Most of all when its taken into account the guys only real qualification to be President is his few years as an IL politician. As big a nest of sneak thieves as ever existed anywheres. Things is for Obama to win he has to re-create a Bill Klinton type victory of 1992. Which means he has to have the NASCAR crowd voting for him.

                                   McCain is going to tbe the next US President. You see that already dont you?