Obama's Pastor "disappeared" from website.

[JBA]

What he said before the speech,
Obama at first tried to avoid the controversy. Then he responded Friday in a blog entry on the Huffington Post in which he said he was not in church to hear those comments and condemned them.

What he said in the speech,
Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes……………….just as I?m sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.

----A no Obama my Minister has never said anything along the lines of your racist reverend has said,, nice try though on the white guilt angle.

[Arlo]

Hmmmm ... and all this howling over Obama being a racist (us whites are so gonna be in for it if we let him be president) stuff is based on that argument?

[AKIron]

Speaking of which ... you're ready to stand in for Xargie on my challenge, I take? Let's see `ol blue tree the coon, so to speak. 

I didn't see your "challenge" but there's no point in trying to prove anything to you.

[Arlo]

I didn't see your "challenge" but there's no point in trying to prove anything to you.

Thought so. Ramble on, Elmer Fudd. Democrat season!

[AKIron]

Thought so.

As well you hould have. It's your own fault no one takes you seriously. If you were actually interested in the exchange of ideas it might be different. Your nonsensical flitting about reminds me of a gnat buzzing around my ear.

[midnight Target]

Given my background, my politics, and my professed values and ideals, there will no doubt be those for whom my statements of condemnation are not enough. Why associate myself with Reverend Wright in the first place, they may ask? Why not join another church? And I confess that if all that I knew of Reverend Wright were the snippets of those sermons that have run in an endless loop on the television and You Tube, or if Trinity United Church of Christ conformed to the caricatures being peddled by some commentators, there is no doubt that I would react in much the same way

But the truth is, that isn't all that I know of the man. The man I met more than twenty years ago is a man who helped introduce me to my Christian faith, a man who spoke to me about our obligations to love one another; to care for the sick and lift up the poor. He is a man who served his country as a U.S. Marine; who has studied and lectured at some of the finest universities and seminaries in the country, and who for over thirty years led a church that serves the community by doing God's work here on Earth - by housing the homeless, ministering to the needy, providing day care services and scholarships and prison ministries, and reaching out to those suffering from HIV/AIDS.

There is just a small part of the speech. It would be pretty disingenuous, or should I say silly, to base your condemnation of a man not only on what his Pastor said, but on sound bites of what his Pastor said.  

[JBA]

           
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[Arlo]

As well you hould have. It's your own fault no one takes you seriously. If you were actually interested in the exchange of ideas it might be different. Your nonsensical flitting about reminds me of a gnat buzzing around my ear.

Well, Mr. Irony .... seems the latest round of my not being taken seriously is a constant exchange of you and others avoiding being put on the spot of providing enough substance to back your mud campaign. As if I asked you to provide a better argument just to outimpress you. Constant. Avoidance. Excuses. Amusing.  

[AKIron]

There is just a small part of the speech. It would be pretty disingenuous, or should I say silly, to base your condemnation of a man not only on what his Pastor said, but on sound bites of what his Pastor said.  

I condemn him for his far left policies. That his pastor is a loud spoken bigot is just convenient.

[Arlo]

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Still didn't rise to the challenge. Dive, JBA, dive. Afterall I'm so "irrelavant" you can't let go.

[AKIron]

Still didn't rise to the challenge. Dive, JBA, dive. Afterall I'm so "irrelavant" you can't let go.

It is hard not to swat at the pesky buggers.

[Arlo]

I condemn him for his far left policies. That his pastor is a loud spoken bigot is just convenient.

Or so you would have us believe based on condemnation and not much else, it seems.

[Arlo]

It is hard not to swat at the pesky buggers.

Well, if I ever feel a thing, I'll let you know. Til then you may want to consider putting an actual argument in your argument. 

[john9001]

As well you hould have. It's your own fault no one takes you seriously. If you were actually interested in the exchange of ideas it might be different. Your nonsensical flitting about reminds me of a gnat buzzing around my ear.

i have thought that for a long time.  

[Gunthr]

Might want to read his speech, he addresses a lot of the concerns above.  I read it, and I view the Wright thing in a different light now.  Considering that the current administration took council from folks like Pat Robertson who has gone on record as stating that the US deserved to be attacked on 9/11 because it was morally wicked...  yeah, this isn't that big of a deal. - Chair

Chairboy, I don't know if your comment was meant for me, but a reading of the transcript is what prompted me to post.

Obama did address most if not all the points.  However, I commented to say that I don't buy his explanation of his close association with that church and pastor.  I bet that middle America doesn't either.   What Bush/Robertson did or said is irrelevant to me in my consideration of Obama's campaign getting wrapped around the axle over this.  I see this as a significant factor in the upcoming election, which is where we differ. 

I would never vote for someone with his socialist leanings.  But asking me to believe that he and his wife do not have the same general beliefs as the church they have been so closely involved with for 20 years is a bit too much too ask of most people - at least most of the voters who can put him over the top in the election.  YMMD.