Obama's Pastor "disappeared" from website.

[AKIron]

It's sad. Here is a candidate that has never played the race card, done everything he can to heal racial wounds, yet all the racists are coming out of the woodwork to call him one. I guess all the white guys that have ever watched Pat Robertson, Oral Roberts, Jimmy Swaggart or (pick your favorite evangelical) are lying, racist hypocites because they watched. Sad I tell you, just plain sad.

Sorry RPM but gouging us tax payers for ever more money to throw away on worthless social programs is hardly doing something to heal racial wounds, quite the contrary.

[rpm]

Remind me Toad, because I forget so quickly, what office is Rev. Wright running for?

[AKIron]

I think the democrats are just getting started with the mud slinging, at each other. This is about to get good.  

[Toad]

Remind me RPM, what sort of judgement does listening to Wright's bilge week in, week out his entire adult life and giving this huckster over 20 grand a year to keep him in business show?

The kind you want in a uniting President? I bet he picked up a lot of tips on uniting black and white America from Wright over the last 20 years eh?    The trick in bringing us all together is to damn America!

Truth time RPM: If a white candidate had this exact relationship with a white America-hating racist preacher do you think the negative reaction would be more, less or the same?

[BTW]

Remind me Toad, because I forget so quickly, what office is Rev. Wright running for?

Rev Wright is MIA. Obviously he isn't running for anything. His part is so eloquently demonstrating Black Liberation Theology rhetoric. That is the theology - Black Liberation Theology -that Obama subscribes to. Before you vote for that man to be President of the United States, you need to familiarize yourself with Black Liberation Theology. Its  racist, Marxist, anti-American, and centered in Latin America. Understand the theology of the man you are voting for. Understand the roots of Black Liberation Theology. It doesn't originate from where you might suspect. You need to look into it before blithely dismissing Wright's comments or ignoring Obama's participation in that church.

[TwentyFo]

Is there such a source?

You're right there isn't one. But some come pretty close in my book i.e. (BBC, Reuters, AP, CNN, sometimes FOX).

[Toad]

Good piece by Krauthammer in the paper today; goes to the actual point of the discussion. Why didn't he leave Trinity? I'm sure some will play the race card on it but I don't see how.

http://www.kansascity.com/273/story/544811.html

Obama failed to say why he never left that church

....Obama condemns such statements as wrong and divisive, then frames the next question: “There will no doubt be those for whom my statements of condemnation are not enough. Why associate myself with Reverend Wright in the first place, they may ask? Why not join another church?”

But that is not the question. The question is why didn’t he leave that church? Why didn’t he leave — why doesn’t he leave even today — a pastor who thundered not once but three times from the pulpit (on a DVD the church proudly sells) “Golly-geen America”?

His defense rests on two central propositions: (a) moral equivalence, and (b) white guilt....

....Does Obama not see the moral difference between the occasional private expression of the prejudices of one’s time and the use of a public stage to spread racial lies and race hatred?...

....Then answer this, senator: If Wright is a man of the past, why would you expose your children to his vitriolic divisiveness?

Why did you give $22,500 just two years ago to a church run by a man of the past who infects the younger generation with precisely the racial attitudes and animus you say you have come unto us to transcend?

Good questions; too bad Obama didn't address and answer those in his speech.

[midnight Target]

Good piece by Krauthammer in the paper today; goes to the actual point of the discussion. Why didn't he leave Trinity? I'm sure some will play the race card on it but I don't see how.

http://www.kansascity.com/273/story/544811.html

Good questions; too bad Obama didn't address and answer those in his speech.

Of course he did address them, but just like most swiftboating, saying he didn't will be more than enough evidence for the sheeple who want to believe...

Given my background, my politics, and my professed values and ideals, there will no doubt be those for whom my statements of condemnation are not enough. Why associate myself with Reverend Wright in the first place, they may ask? Why not join another church? And I confess that if all that I knew of Reverend Wright were the snippets of those sermons that have run in an endless loop on the television and You Tube, or if Trinity United Church of Christ conformed to the caricatures being peddled by some commentators, there is no doubt that I would react in much the same way

But the truth is, that isn't all that I know of the man. The man I met more than twenty years ago is a man who helped introduce me to my Christian faith, a man who spoke to me about our obligations to love one another; to care for the sick and lift up the poor. He is a man who served his country as a U.S. Marine; who has studied and lectured at some of the finest universities and seminaries in the country, and who for over thirty years led a church that serves the community by doing God's work here on Earth - by housing the homeless, ministering to the needy, providing day care services and scholarships and prison ministries, and reaching out to those suffering from HIV/AIDS.

[Toad]

Did you bother to read the opinion piece?

[john9001]

someone already said it but i must repeat it, obama and gang are "the klan with a tan".

[JBA]

Of course he did address them, but just like most swiftboating, saying he didn't will be more than enough evidence for the sheeple who want to believe...

Like hell he did. Accusing "Whitie" of being racist is not an explanation for your own racist actions. I said it before. Hussien Obama is politically "Dead man Walking" the super's will not give it to him. Hillbillary will show that she has won the larger electoral college states and there fore she "deserves" the "selection".

[Jackal1]

Maybe you and your pal spanky in the sidecar might want to explain how those 2 statements eqaul a lie.

I retract my earlier statement . Some , it seems, can be that lame.

[lazs2]

sooo.. mt an twentyfo... I guess you are saying that if it could be proven that osamabama was in church when some of those racist things were said or even.. that he knew they were said..  that he is knowingly attending a racist church?

Do you guys really think that this half negro guy is so stupid that he doesn't know that a church he has attended and praised.. for what? 20 years?  is a racist church?

I bet that no white guy would get such a pass if he was found to attend a racist..  wait.. strike that.. a WHITE racist church.

It is your type of racism that will keep racism alive in this country.

lazs

[TwentyFo]

sooo.. mt an twentyfo... I guess you are saying that if it could be proven that osamabama was in church when some of those racist things were said or even.. that he knew they were said..  that he is knowingly attending a racist church?

Do you guys really think that this half negro guy is so stupid that he doesn't know that a church he has attended and praised.. for what? 20 years?  is a racist church?

I bet that no white guy would get such a pass if he was found to attend a racist..  wait.. strike that.. a WHITE racist church.

It is your type of racism that will keep racism alive in this country.

lazs

Laz I didn't say anything really except that The National Review is not in mind a trustworthy news source. That's all I said.

Obama's church belongs to a wider network of churches, in which 95% are attended mainly by white followers. The church that Obama attends has a few white members, as well as frequent visitors (who are mostly white) from the other churches in the network. If I follow your rhetoric correctly, those white visitors and members are racist against themselves  .

I don't agree with what Obama's pastor said, but I feel deep down that Obama is a decent human being. He has been fresh air for politics and has run a very good campaign. To me this issue has been blown way overboard. I think we need to focus on larger issues that face our country, such as the war, economy, and health care among others. I think we all get caught up in the little things that we don't look at the larger picture.

On another note, I really despise evangelist churches. They are nothing but money hungry entities that suck the money out of their members. I can't stand to see Benny Hahn or TD Jakes flying around in corporate jets to preach "the word of the lord". To see them in their $4,000 suits talking about helping the poor irritates me. Why don't they sell their Armani suit to help out a person who is struggling to eat or have shelter. Religion to me has come off very corrupt and places values in the wrong areas.

[Toad]

This just in from another untrustworthy news source!

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/25/clinton.wright/

Clinton: Wright would not have been my pastor

Speaking to reporters Tuesday, Clinton referenced a speech she gave nearly a year ago after talk-radio host Don Imus' controversial remarks about the Rutgers women's basketball team.

"I said it was time for standing up for what is right, for saying enough is enough, for urging that we turn a culture of degradation into a culture of empowerment, for saying that while we of course must protect our right of free expression, it should not be used as a license or an excuse to demean or humiliate our fellow citizens. Sen. Obama spoke eloquently at that time as well," she said.

"Everyone will have to decide these matters for themselves. They were obviously very personal matters," Clinton added. "But I was asked what I would do if he was my pastor and I said I think the choice would be clear for me."

I think that will play well in Pennsylvania. It's going to be an interesting Dem convention. First time any convention will be interesting going in. Unless the SuperDelegates jump in and eliminate the other input.