Author Topic: 'We must target potential offenders'-List Children on DNA Database  (Read 1118 times)

Offline Shuckins

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Re: 'We must target potential offenders'-List Children on DNA Database
« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2008, 09:14:59 AM »
Lasz, it's considered justifiable depending on the nature of their "criminal offense."  The more violent the crime, even if no one was hurt, marks the kid for psychological evaluation.  After extensive medical and psychological testing, a determination is made as to whether or not the child could benefit from behavior altering medication.  Sometimes such medication is mandated by the court, after the kids' psychological analysis has been presented to the judge.

In moderation, such medication can be beneficial.  But, what most of these kids need, or rather needed, was a belt laid across their rear ends when they were much younger.  Much of their anti-social behavior is simply a tool that they use to get what they want.  I've seen them blow up over minor issues one minute, and when they get what they want, they become perfectly calm.

Sure, there are a few psychopaths that no amount of medication or counseling will help.  We've had a few of them leave our camp and go out into society and commit murder....sometimes to to gain a rep.

There isn't much medication can do about that.

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Re: 'We must target potential offenders'-List Children on DNA Database
« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2008, 11:51:08 PM »
im not even gonna get in on this.

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« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2008, 12:07:00 AM »
Isnt anyone over there even complaining about this?

Then again. shouldnt say too much.

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Re: 'We must target potential offenders'-List Children on DNA Database
« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2008, 12:34:43 AM »
Welcome to my world - my country (which I happen to love, deeply) is being screwed over big time by our current government (if this shambles can be called that). The most worrying thing is - the alternatives are just as dire - totally incompetent, self seeking, greedy, grabbing useless individuals.

My apologies if that came over as a rant, but its one of the things that is driving me out of this country.


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Re: 'We must target potential offenders'-List Children on DNA Database
« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2008, 02:51:01 AM »
I have an opinion on this issue.

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Re: 'We must target potential offenders'-List Children on DNA Database
« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2008, 07:20:11 AM »
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Wow, how did the UK government already get DNA samples from 4.5 million people?   That is over 7% of the UK's total population!!

If the government can take your DNA from you, what is there that they CANNOT take from you??

No one is going to take my DNA, or my guns, from me.

Some day in the future I may need to find a place to bury my guns and ammo, and then fake a burglary, if today's Supreme Court case goes poorly.

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Re: 'We must target potential offenders'-List Children on DNA Database
« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2008, 07:25:15 AM »
They just make a copy of your DNA, they dont take it from you  ;)

Im all for taking the DNA of anyone who has been convicted of a crime. Unless you have done so, I dont see a reason to take it. I would not object to giving the police a copy of mine tho, as i have nothing to hide.

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Re: 'We must target potential offenders'-List Children on DNA Database
« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2008, 07:33:44 AM »
I really wish people would wake up and realize what is happening to peoples personal God given rights.
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Re: 'We must target potential offenders'-List Children on DNA Database
« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2008, 07:51:43 AM »
They just make a copy of your DNA, they dont take it from you  ;)

Im all for taking the DNA of anyone who has been convicted of a crime. Unless you have done so, I dont see a reason to take it. I would not object to giving the police a copy of mine tho, as i have nothing to hide.


If you comply and allow the government to do that, then they could start making cloned copies of you.

Do you want thousands of Nilsens walking around all over the earth???


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Re: 'We must target potential offenders'-List Children on DNA Database
« Reply #24 on: March 18, 2008, 08:08:17 AM »

If you comply and allow the government to do that, then they could start making cloned copies of you.

Do you want thousands of Nilsens walking around all over the earth???


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Re: 'We must target potential offenders'-List Children on DNA Database
« Reply #25 on: March 18, 2008, 08:08:46 AM »


http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/mar/16/youthjustice.children


....this is one of the most disturbing things I've seen...the government will eventually make excuses to use DNA markers for all sorts of things, and a child's life will be preprogrammed depending on what some nutjob bureaucrat decides to do with the information...people need to wake up to this now... :mad:

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« Reply #26 on: March 18, 2008, 08:22:07 AM »
'England prevails!'

That's a slippery slope if I ever saw one... Scary

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Re: 'We must target potential offenders'-List Children on DNA Database
« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2008, 08:26:06 AM »
shukins.. thank you for your answer..  I guess I was wanting to know what you thought tho.. I kinda get that you think it should have been taken care of in a more conventional (old fashioned) way long before it got that far?

I would agree but having done most drugs... I really don't see how they are a great idea.. it is like some page out of a science fiction book of the 60's.

I am not sure that covering the sins of society with drugs is a good idea.   This got a little off the DNA trail except that..  if you are gonna take DNA from one.. it should be from all of em..

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Re: 'We must target potential offenders'-List Children on DNA Database
« Reply #28 on: March 18, 2008, 08:32:05 AM »
Didn't Tom Cruise make a movie about something similar?
Yep, "Minority Report." Came out around 2003 I think.
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Re: 'We must target potential offenders'-List Children on DNA Database
« Reply #29 on: March 18, 2008, 08:50:49 AM »
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Isnt anyone over there even complaining about this?

Not really. You do understand that this is one man's opinion? That for this to happen would require a new act of parliament, and that no government would touch this with a barge pole?

Ain't going to happen.

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Welcome to my world - my country (which I happen to love, deeply) is being screwed over big time by our current government (if this shambles can be called that). The most worrying thing is - the alternatives are just as dire - totally incompetent, self seeking, greedy, grabbing useless individuals.

You didn't happen to vote for Nu Labour, did you? The alternatives (the Conservatives) are much better, they have a record of applying common sense, rather than doctrine, to government. Not perfect, but one of the better western political parties.