Author Topic: 'We must target potential offenders'-List Children on DNA Database  (Read 1115 times)

Offline Shuckins

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3412
Re: 'We must target potential offenders'-List Children on DNA Database
« Reply #30 on: March 18, 2008, 08:53:21 AM »
Lasz, I would agree that medication needs to be the solution of last resort, at least for most kids.  However, physiologically, some of these kids are so wired, hyper, or high octane, that they literally cannot sit still.  Even when they're sitting down they vibrate...with the whites of their eyes showing all around.  (Bit of exaggeration there.)

So, in those particular cases, they cannot "calm down" on their own.  In such event, medication is often the only option.  They literally cannot function without it.

I don't like it....but that is reality.  Properly prescribed, there seem to be few harmful side effects.  The kids are more normal and reasonable with it.

Regards, Shuckins

Offline superpug1

  • Probation
  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 929
Re: 'We must target potential offenders'-List Children on DNA Database
« Reply #31 on: March 18, 2008, 11:08:36 AM »
thats rediculous. just a first step in creating an easier to control populace. Honestly you need that edge on humanity, other wise we would stagnate

Offline ink

  • Persona Non Grata
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 11274
Re: 'We must target potential offenders'-List Children on DNA Database
« Reply #32 on: March 18, 2008, 12:18:27 PM »
I really wish people would wake up and realize what is happening to peoples personal God given rights.

thats just it uptown,   GOD's  givin right, is the issue people, just dont believe in GOD any more, or they are to busy blaming GOD for human actions...
  damm i said i wassnt gonna partake...

Offline ink

  • Persona Non Grata
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 11274
Re: 'We must target potential offenders'-List Children on DNA Database
« Reply #33 on: March 18, 2008, 12:20:07 PM »
any body who tries to tell me my kids need drugs HAHA, that will be a day they will never forget...


  all kids are rambuctios thats the way kids are sapposed to be  its up to us parents to teach them how to act, and one good prettythang whooping straitins em out, and if you are one of those that think you shouldnt spank your kids, to put it plainly your an idiot...trust me i have 6 kids and they are someof the best behaved kids in there school, and my son can barely sit still . try and tell me he needs to be on drugs,    drugging children  that is the stupidest thing ever...  un believable that people are ok with this  but then again thats what our society has become...
« Last Edit: March 18, 2008, 12:26:29 PM by ink »

Offline Dowding

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6867
      • http://www.psys07629.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/272/index.html
Re: 'We must target potential offenders'-List Children on DNA Database
« Reply #34 on: March 18, 2008, 12:41:53 PM »
This is like chaos theory. One man opines in England, a dozen others wring their hands, thousands of miles away on another continent.

A call for open discussion is healthy. It's freedom of speech. It's not even a party policy or even a suggestion of a party policy, nevermind law.
War! Never been so much fun. War! Never been so much fun! Go to your brother, Kill him with your gun, Leave him lying in his uniform, Dying in the sun.

Offline Nilsen

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 18108
Re: 'We must target potential offenders'-List Children on DNA Database
« Reply #35 on: March 18, 2008, 01:00:56 PM »
any body who tries to tell me my kids need drugs HAHA, that will be a day they will never forget...


  all kids are rambuctios thats the way kids are sapposed to be  its up to us parents to teach them how to act, and one good emily whooping straitins em out, and if you are one of those that think you shouldnt spank your kids, to put it plainly your an idiot...trust me i have 6 kids and they are someof the best behaved kids in there school, and my son can barely sit still . try and tell me he needs to be on drugs,    drugging children  that is the stupidest thing ever...  un believable that people are ok with this  but then again thats what our society has become...

I guess im an idiot then, but i belive that if you have to spank your kids to get them to behave then im not the idiot thats for sure. But i do agree with you that its the parents who has to teach them.

Offline Maverick

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 13916
Re: 'We must target potential offenders'-List Children on DNA Database
« Reply #36 on: March 18, 2008, 02:10:22 PM »
This is like chaos theory. One man opines in England, a dozen others wring their hands, thousands of miles away on another continent.

A call for open discussion is healthy. It's freedom of speech. It's not even a party policy or even a suggestion of a party policy, nevermind law.

That would make sense if the individual that is proposing the process was a private citizen. In this case he has a very official position and another position where he may just have considerable sway in making public policy.

"Gary Pugh, director of forensic sciences at Scotland Yard and the new DNA spokesman for the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo), "

Had his counterpart in the US made that statement he would be inundated with demands for his resignation.

That was not someone merely opining for speculation it was someone in a position of trust speaking about a massive violation of the rule of law.
DEFINITION OF A VETERAN
A Veteran - whether active duty, retired, national guard or reserve - is someone who, at one point in their life, wrote a check made payable to "The United States of America", for an amount of "up to and including my life."
Author Unknown

Offline lazs2

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 24886
Re: 'We must target potential offenders'-List Children on DNA Database
« Reply #37 on: March 18, 2008, 02:12:22 PM »
shukins... I will defer to your vastly superior experience with kids.   I am going by mine of almost half a century ago..  what has changed?  have we evolved in some terrible way that now we have legions of these mutants?

lazs

Offline ink

  • Persona Non Grata
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 11274
Re: 'We must target potential offenders'-List Children on DNA Database
« Reply #38 on: March 18, 2008, 03:07:49 PM »
I guess im an idiot then, but i belive that if you have to spank your kids to get them to behave then im not the idiot thats for sure. But i do agree with you that its the parents who has to teach them.

you obviously have no kids or wait 1 or 2 at most.

  "spare the rod spoil the child..."

Offline Nilsen

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 18108
Re: 'We must target potential offenders'-List Children on DNA Database
« Reply #39 on: March 18, 2008, 03:26:10 PM »
Oh my

I have one, but that has nothing to do with it.

You need to spank them to get them to listen?

Offline Maverick

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 13916
Re: 'We must target potential offenders'-List Children on DNA Database
« Reply #40 on: March 18, 2008, 07:04:16 PM »
Nilsen,

Are you familiar with the system of positive and negative rewards?
DEFINITION OF A VETERAN
A Veteran - whether active duty, retired, national guard or reserve - is someone who, at one point in their life, wrote a check made payable to "The United States of America", for an amount of "up to and including my life."
Author Unknown

Offline gpwurzel

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3835
Re: 'We must target potential offenders'-List Children on DNA Database
« Reply #41 on: March 18, 2008, 09:28:55 PM »
Nashwan, nope, didnt vote for NuLabour - never will vote for socialists , ever ever ever.

Whilst I hope your right about the Conservatives, I'm a touch more than cynical about all the MP's in our country. Maybe its because of the amount of largesse they grant themselves in the form of "expense claims" - which has just come to light.


Wurzel
I'm the worst pilot ingame ya know!!!

It's all unrealistic crap requested by people who want pie in the sky actions performed without an understanding of how things work and who can't grasp reality.


Offline Shuckins

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3412
Re: 'We must target potential offenders'-List Children on DNA Database
« Reply #42 on: March 18, 2008, 09:47:49 PM »
Lasz, we may have more of these types of kids than we did when you and I were little shavers.  If there are, from what I have seen, many of them are the way that they are because of parental drug abuse, especially by the mother when she was pregnant with them.  Also, there is more of an organized attempt by school, courts, and psychologists to identify them than there has been in the past.

I've read a couple hundred psychological and medical profiles on juvenile delinquents incarcerated at the unit where I work.  Certainly our resident population is atypical, when compared to the population of kids in a public school.  We have the incorrigibles who no one can seem to do anything with, or who have hung with the wrong crowd and been busted.  Reading about their dysfunctional home environments will make the hair stand up on your necks.  Despite the differences in race, age, or social settings that they came from, many of them have one thing in common:  a history of hyperactivity diagnosed as HD or ADHD.  Almost without fail, those that have been diagnosed with one of those two conditions have had medication prescribed to control the hyperactivity or violent mood swings.

Physiological causes of those conditions are especially hard to treat:  medication tends to be the most used method of bringing them under control. 

I don't like it, but for many of them there seems to be little choice.

As for DNA programming, that's an idea straight out of the depths of Hell....at least as far as I'm concerned.

Regards, Shuckins

Offline Nilsen

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 18108
Re: 'We must target potential offenders'-List Children on DNA Database
« Reply #43 on: March 19, 2008, 12:42:50 AM »
Nilsen,

Are you familiar with the system of positive and negative rewards?

yes

Offline lazs2

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 24886
Re: 'We must target potential offenders'-List Children on DNA Database
« Reply #44 on: March 19, 2008, 08:43:25 AM »
shukins.. you may be right.. we may have created a generation of mutant but I hope not.. I also think the evidence points more to the same sort of thing that made every other kid need a tonsilectomy in my day.

I know a few parents who never did drugs who have been told their (normal boy to me) kid had add and needs to be drugged.   

As for DNA profiling.... I ask everyone...  how is that good but pulling over a car load of gang bandanna wearing mexicans or negros somehow "profiling" and..  evil?   How is pulling the young arab looking guy out of line at the airport and searching him bad?

lazs