The people's republic of california expands the bans on lead projectiles

[Jackal1]

I fail to see how steel shot wouldn't be effective for hunting condors.

 

[lazs2]

No more condors..  no more problem.

lazs

[Jackal1]

No more condors..  no more problem.

lazs

Yep. An open season with no bag limit would clear this up in no time.

[Airhead]

Personally I agree with Lazs- species have been going extinct for millions of years, with or without our help- but I also think the ban on lead projectiles is done for exactly the reasons stated- to save the Condors.

I do not believe this is a back door move for the ultimate ban on firearms, nor is this a second amendment infringement. Also I still hunt, and we've had to use steel shot for waterfowl (in Calif.) for years now. On a really good duck hunt I might fire maybe 12, 15 rounds- for pheasant hunting, maybe 5 or 6 rounds- turkey hunting, maybe 2-3 rounds- deer or pig, maybe 2 rounds tops- so if I have to pay two dollars for a shotgun shell, or three dollars for a rifle shell, it's not that much of an expense considering the price of licensing, a pheasant club, the gas to get there, etc.-

That said, out of all the issues that divide our political parties- abortion, capital punishment, Iraq- the only issue that can actually be changed is gun control. We'll still have abortions, no matter who our President is. We'll still be in Iraq, still have NAFTA, still have capital punishment rather McCain or Clinton is our next President.

Sad, but true...we'll have no difference in issues between Dems and Repugs, all we can do is vote to further reestrict our rights.

BTW Lazs- I shot an M14 Saturday- 308, selective fire- that and an M5. The M14 rocked. I thought of you while I was out there- not in a gay way, but in a manly gun shooting kinda way.
 

[storch]

we have been using steel shot for waterfowl for years as well.  the thing is that with lead shot your really reach out further and hit harder.  I consider it to be purely an attempt to back door infringement into our second amendments rights.  with regard to lead in the environment as an issue, where do you think lead comes from?

[Toad]

Leadville, Colorado?

[Maverick]

Airhead,

The problem with using your reason for allowing this excuse to be played is that it isn't just the few shells you are using for hunting. It's the shells that are used on every range in the state. You know, where the lions share of the ammunition is used and where Condors do not feed. Blaming this on hunters is like blaming surgeons use of silk sutures for the demise of silk worms in China.

How many tons of lead in the form of lead oxides has been spread on the environment from the use of leaded fuels over the decades it was in use? You know this is lead that is easily absorbed by the water and subsequently plants then other animals. Since it's cumulative and the concentrations go up as the food chain gets higher (just like mercury in the fish) the levels will be detectable in the predators and scavengers. How about the tons upon tons of discarded automotive batteries that use a spongy lead, rather than solid homogeneous lead?

Saying the lead from the deer hunters bullet somehow is tainting the animal population is rather disingenuous. The same goes for the lead that is used on a range, particularly when it's also recycled to make new bullets or shot.

[GtoRA2]

I am pretty sure nature wanted the Cali condor to die out.

We should have let it.

[FrodeMk3]

I am pretty sure nature wanted the Cali condor to die out.

We should have let it.

Ironically, yes, that's true; They're decline is really as much to blame on factors' that man has really only hastened.

That said, I've used steel shot for over 20 years, in my shotguns. And rifle bullets, even .22 LR slugs, don't deposit enough lead to really have an economic impact.

Not like, say, particles' from the Brake linings' on railway cars, or Lead from leaded gas. Industrial polution used to put literally tons of lead in the environment each day, especially in California's heavy industrial areas' such as the LA basin and the SF bay area.

[Airhead]

Maverick, I agree the logic of most enviromentalists is flawed. In California we can attend a no nuke power protest on Friday, a no offshore oil drilling protest on Saturday, a US Out of Iraq protest on Sunday, and on Monday we write letters to the editor complaining about gasoline prices. This is probably just one more issue that is headed up by well meaning but misguided legislators who are trying to do the right thing plus make their constituents believe they're actually working. 

[Toad]

No one has answered the big question lurking in the background..........
































............. is Condor as tasty as spotted owl?

[Airhead]

No one has answered the big question lurking in the background.......

........... is Condor as tasty as spotted owl?

No, not at all. Spotted owl tastes an awful lot like bald eagle, whereas condor tastes more like whooping crane.