Ta 152 Skins

[Larry]

Those are the same "green 9s" the artists just changed the colors of the hub and number.

[Krusty]

Take, for example, the red-9 profile above. Most show it as green. I might have even seen one in yellow (can't remember right now). Black and White interpretation can be a tough thing, especially considering the age of the photo, the quality of the photo paper, the light-sensitive crystals on it, and many other things.

That's how we get 109F2 profiles with all-red noses, and red rudders. 

Here's my thinking: There was really only the stab of JG301 that had these (not counting JG11). Only the stab. The stab would have all the same color numbers. Most recognize that the other numbers are green. So I'm inclined to think "1" is green as well. That's not positive proof, but it stands to reason.

[Bodhi]

That's how we get 109F2 profiles with all-red noses, and red rudders. 

Are you saying there were no 109F2's with red noses and rudders?

[moot]

Unless someone objects, I'm going to do the WN003 "74/(83?)/75" profile in Model Art.  I sent some scans to Rolex for translation, to see if there's any clues that something's wrong with it.

Another (second hand) reference for WN 010 as Green 4:

The author cites ""JG 301 Wilde Sau" by Marek J. Murawski and Peter Neuwerth, Kagero" as his source.
Web page here: http://hsfeatures.com/features04/ta152hcw_1.htm

I have diagrams of at least some of the little stencil markings that I could send to anyone doing a skin, if needed..

Another view of WN 167:

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Rough distribution of colors on profiles from (I think) a Czech book on the 152 and Dora:
"WN 003 at Langenhagen in '44" is new to me.  I looked thru google maps to see if this is just a nearby location or annex to either Cottbus or Langenhagen, but my internet's crappin out at the moment, so I can't tell yet.
"005 at Cottbus" - no idea what the caption says.
"WN 010 of JG301 at Aalborg in '45" - I guess this would mean the Aalborg Aerodrome in Denmark?  Is that where JG11 was?

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[Fencer51]

Moot check out the following link..

http://www.lwag.org/forums/showthread.php?t=307

[moot]

I don't think I'd seen that one yet, thanks Fencer!

[Krusty]

Moot: What's it saying about the tail stripes down there, in Polish(?) or something?

[moot]

Which one?

Another plate with two schemes:
WN 167 with JG301 @ Straubing in '45, and WN 168 with '301 @ Leck in '45:

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[Krusty]

The previous one, with the blue "?" and the 2 red arrows.

[Fencer51]

What was the plane code for '168' of JG301 at Leck?  Green 9?

[moot]

The previous one, with the blue "?" and the 2 red arrows.

The originals are black and white, all in Czech. Everything in color was added by me.  I don't speak Czech, so I don't know what any of all that says, except for the roots that are either latin or similar to words I know in english or german, etc.
My question mark is there because I'm not sure if the tail band has a bit of #81 around it (like CI+XM has).  If there isn't any, why shade it in #81?

Fencer, there's no specification of the code number's color for these two last plates. If you mean the AA+AA registration code, I've got none for WN168 anywhere in my materials.  D.Harmann's book does say that WN168 was last flown as Green 9 by Reschke before being captured at Leck, flown around in England by E. Brown a bit, and then scrapped.
I got this rough translation from an online dictionary:

Final build machine. [Vrtulový] (cone/taper) RLM70 ________________. (Is/Them) (greatly/very) (probably/supposedly),
(because/so/that) plane(s) originaly (carried/took) yellow-red band (ahead/before/prior) SOP, (because/for) RLM 76 (Is/them) [v] (these/of these) [místech] (slightly/fairly) darker. Green nine has black border.
Which I'd say means:
Last machine built.  Prop hub in #70 with white spiral. Most likely, because planes originaly bore yellow-red band before "SOP", the RLM 76 where the reich defense band used to be is slightly darker. Green 9 is outlined in black.

I also found one more profile for WN's 003, 167, and 168 in Model Art.  They have different colors, but the patterns are almost identical

WN 003:


WN 167:


WN 168:

[Krusty]

CI+XM are factory codes. Did it actually see combat dressed this way?

[moot]

If CI+XM saw combat? I don't know, that's a 152-C proto. I haven't researched those at all.
If WN 010 painted above as Green 4 ("Zelená čtyřka") did with RLM-81 over the '301 band, possibly.  It would explain why the profile shows RLM 81 there, and would match the Czech WN 168 profile having RLM 76 over its own band. Knowing what SOP stands for might make or break this hypothesis..

WN 010 was captured at Erfurt in mid-April '45, but that '45 profile with RLM 81 over the tail band is for Langenhagen, which is 420mi north of there, out in Denmark.
A pic of all the locations..

If anyone wants to have a go at translating more of the Czech text, here's the dictionary I used: http://www.wordbook.cz/index.php

[Xasthur]

Here's my thinking: There was really only the stab of JG301 that had these (not counting JG11). Only the stab. The stab would have all the same color numbers. Most recognize that the other numbers are green. So I'm inclined to think "1" is green as well. That's not positive proof, but it stands to reason.

Indeed it does stand to reason. Perhaps some new information will come to light before I get finished with it.

At least this is a very small detail that can be changed quickly and easily.

[moot]

Here's my thinking: There was really only the stab of JG301 that had these (not counting JG11). Only the stab.

Krusty please give your references for this.

Another shot of WN 003 from that same photo session: